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    Quote Originally Posted by Philzsay View Post
    it can get really complicated if there are other players missing on the DPP's other line which as Hairy stated really does make one's brain hurt!
    .. he he.. I love it....... variables.. variables.. bring it on, I'm starting to think PDE's... :-)
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    I thought about doing DEF/MID and RUC/FWD for my floating donuts.

    Here is an example of RUC/FWD floating donut Sam Rowe who sits on your bench and floats around RUC or FWD. Maybe you have Goldie who misses 2 weeks because he got involved in a punch up. Don't forget we can utilise Dean Cox who is stilling in our FWD line and you want to see if Currie will play for instance.

    Players Considered R1 R2 R3 R4 R5 R6 R7 R8 R9 R10 AVE
    (ADE) 1 4 9 8 5 4 7 9 8 3 5.8
    BRL Leuenberger (RUC) 4 4 6 9 8 7 3 2 6 1 5
    CAR Sam Rowe 3 8 5 5 5 8 9 7 6 2 5.8
    (COL) 8 8 8 3 1 1 6 5 1 1 4.2
    (ESS) 1 5 1 4 1 2 1* 2 5 4 2.8
    FRE 2 3 1 2 3 6 6 6 9 3 4.1
    GEE Varcoe (FWD) 9 7 5 1 6 5 1 5 2 5 4.6
    (GCS) 6 2 6 6 4 6 8 4 7 5 5.4
    GWS 5 6 4 7 4 2 7 3 3 2 4.3
    HAW 9 9 8 2 9 4 5 3 7 7 6.3
    (MEL) Byrnes (FWD) 7 5 3 7 8 8 8 8 9 7 7
    NTH Currie (RUC) 8 7 2 9 9 3 4 1 8 8 5.9
    [PTA] 7 6 9 6 7 3 2 7 2 6 5.5
    RIC 3 1 7 3 3 5 2 8 5 9 4.6
    STK Tommy Lee (FWD) 6 1 4 4 2 1 9 9 4 8 4.8
    SYD 5 2 2 1 2 7 5 6 1 4 3.5
    WCE 2 9 3 5 7 9 3 1 3 9 5.1
    WBD 4 3 7 8 6 9 4 4 4 6 5.5
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    There have been three threads and so many posts discussing Floating Donuts, Captains loopholes and Emergency loopholes, using so many players as examples to explain the permutations and combinations of the strategies. Somewhere along the way I got lost and it was doing my head in trying to keep up with it all and figure it out.

    So, I have attempted to write it out in my own way so it makes sense to me. I know I am repeating what many of you have already explained, but I would appreciate you guys confirming that what I have written is correct. I have attempted to document the process of setting up the strategies, and then what to do next based on the result achieved, whilst trying to keep it as simple as possible.

    If it is correct, then maybe my explanation will help others who may also have trouble getting their head around it. Then again, maybe it's just me.

    Let me know if this makes sense:

    Captains Loophole
    The Set-up:
    1. Identify the best 2 candidates for captain in the round
    2. Give the VC to the candidate who plays earliest in the round.
    3. Give the C to the candidate who plays latest in the round
    4. The Floating Donut (0-score player) must be playing after the VC.
    5. Assess the VC’s score immediately after the match (as the C and/or Floating Donut may be playing soon after therefore you will have to act quickly).
    The Results:
    If the VC scores well and you want to keep his score (to be doubled as captain):
    • Replace a playing player with a Floating Donut (0-score player now on the ground, playing player now on the bench)
    • Give the C to the Floating Donut (0-score player)
    • Select the playing player (now on the bench) as emergency so the emergency score replaces the 0 score
    If the VC scores poorly and you don’t want to use his score:
    • Give the C to the other captain candidate who is yet to play
    • Leave the Floating Donut (0-score player) on the bench
    • Select the other bench player in that line as emergency (if he hasn’t already played)
    • Hope that the C gets leather poisoning!

    Emergency Loophole
    The Set-up:

    1. Identify a rookie player named to play who could score well
    2. Select the rookie as an emergency on the bench
    3. Have the Floating Donut player in the other bench position
    4. The Floating Donut must be playing after the rookie
    5. Assess the Rookie’s score immediately after the match (as the Floating Donut’s team may be playing soon after therefore you will have to act quickly).
    The Results:
    If the rookie scores well and you think he will out-score other players yet to play in the same line:
    • Identify the player who you think will:
    o Score the least and
    o Score less than the rookie
    • Move that player to the bench.
    • Move the Floating Donut onto the ground
    If the rookie scores poorly, or you think the other players yet to play in that line will out-score the rookie:
    • Don’t change a thing

    Key Considerations in selecting the Floating Donut:
    • The later the Floating Donut plays in the round the better.
    This gives you more players to consider as C & VC candidates. If the Floating Donut plays before the VC, you will have no-one to give the C to (assuming all other players are playing). This is where the tables developed by Jay and Hairy can be used to plan ahead. Select a Floating Donut whose team will mostly play late in the rounds. This means your Donut will play after your main C and VC candidates have played and also after the majority of your selected rookies have played.
    • The Floating Donut should have DPP status
    You may have rookies on multiple lines that could out-score the players you have on the ground. By having a DPP Floating Donut, and multiple DPP’s in each line, you may be able to manipulate your team’s line up so should one emergency loophole not work, you could try again on another line
    Additional Floating Donuts on other lines would achieve the same thing, however it may affect value creation by having fewer cash cows mooing.
    Last edited by hammo42; 31-01-2013 at 9:48pm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hammo42 View Post
    Key Considerations in selecting the Floating Donut:
    • The later the Floating Donut plays in the round the better.
    This gives you more players to consider as C & VC candidates. If the Floating Donut plays before the VC, you will have no-one to give the C to (assuming all other players are playing). This is where the tables developed by Jay and Hairy can be used to plan ahead. Select a Floating Donut whose team will mostly play late in the rounds. This means your Donut will play after your main C and VC candidates have played and also after the majority of your selected rookies have played.
    • The Floating Donut should have DPP status
    You may have rookies on multiple lines that could out-score the players you have on the ground. By having a DPP Floating Donut, and multiple DPP’s in each line, you may be able to manipulate your team’s line up so should one emergency loophole not work, you could try again on another line
    Additional Floating Donuts on other lines would achieve the same thing, however it may affect value creation by having fewer cash cows mooing.
    Clean and clear. Nice job Hammo.
    Just one clarification, just in case it confuses anyone. Where you have written "This means your Donut will play after your main C and VC candidates have played", it should be clear that your Donut can play in the same game, or team as your C candidate, not necessarily after him. The only real criteria is that he plays after your VC candidate, so you can assess the situation immediately after the VC's game, as you pointed out.
    Sorry for nitpicking, just didn't want anyone confused.
    Great job of mapping it out for anyone that was confused.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rowsus View Post
    it should be clear that your Donut can play in the same game, or team as your C candidate,
    Sorry for nitpicking, just didn't want anyone confused.
    he he...I find this whole terminology of floating donut amusing. So how does a Donut play exactly ? I imagine someone reading this that relatively new to the game like I was last year and they scratching their head why something is phrased as a donut and it can play...lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by OzRulesFootball View Post
    he he...I find this whole terminology of floating donut amusing. So how does a Donut play exactly ? I imagine someone reading this that relatively new to the game like I was last year and they scratching their head why something is phrased as a donut and it can play...lol
    LOL there should be a SuperCoach dictionary with the Oxford and Webster
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    Quote Originally Posted by OzRulesFootball View Post
    he he...I find this whole terminology of floating donut amusing. So how does a Donut play exactly ? I imagine someone reading this that relatively new to the game like I was last year and they scratching their head why something is phrased as a donut and it can play...lol
    Quote Originally Posted by Impromptu View Post
    LOL there should be a SuperCoach dictionary with the Oxford and Webster
    LOL, it's a good point, Oz. I guess we mean play, as in like play a card, or play-out, but you're right, it could be confusing.

    We could introduce a whole new vernacular, Jay. "Ohhhhh no! He's done a Morabito!"

    Websters: Morabito - (Mo-rah-bee-toe) noun - To become injured repeatedly when people are planning on putting you to future use. eg. I had him all lined up to be in my side, and a pulled a Morabito on me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Philzsay View Post
    Not that I would advocate it or do it myself but you could let the first match or two help you decide, so you start with:

    Def: Van Unen (Emg), Mid: Crouch (Emg), Fwd: Daniher (Emg)

    And then say Van Unen miracously scores 136 while Crouch & Daniher dud it up you suddenly say "Well bugger it, I'd better get a back floating donut!".
    Like this idea a lot. Deciding on the floating donut after seeing an emergency score from each line before the completion of the round one just gives that extra little bit of advantage.

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    In all of this talk of using the floating donut, one question hasn't yet been addressed ... What is a "keeper" score for a midfield or forward rookie? If Crouch scores 70 is that good enough to keep his score? If not, at what point would you decide to activate the floating donut?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sc2013 View Post
    In all of this talk of using the floating donut, one question hasn't yet been addressed ... What is a "keeper" score for a midfield or forward rookie? If Crouch scores 70 is that good enough to keep his score? If not, at what point would you decide to activate the floating donut?
    It would depend on what the other players in his line are likely to score. Even if Crouch is named as your emergency and scores 100, if the other players yet to play are all premiums and are likely to score over 100, then you still wouldn't activate the donut. Chances are though that you have other rookies in the midfield who are yet to play and are unlikely to score 100 - that's when you would activate the donut. What determines a keeper score is all relative to what the other players are likely to score.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rowsus View Post
    Nice job Hammo.
    Just one clarification, just in case it confuses anyone. Where you have written "This means your Donut will play after your main C and VC candidates have played", it should be clear that your Donut can play
    Quote Originally Posted by OzRulesFootball View Post
    he he...I find this whole terminology of floating donut amusing. So how does a Donut play exactly ? I imagine someone reading this that relatively new to the game like I was last year and they scratching their head why something is phrased as a donut and it can play...lol
    Quote Originally Posted by Impromptu View Post
    LOL there should be a SuperCoach dictionary with the Oxford and Webster
    Quote Originally Posted by Rowsus View Post
    LOL, it's a good point, Oz. I guess we mean play, as in like play a card, or play-out, but you're right, it could be confusing.
    I'm still patiently waiting for the time Jay reveals the floating donuts strategic cousin, the levitating bagel, and when is the right time to play that card in the Supercoach season. I know it's coming out but is it too early to reveal it :-)
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    Suppose this is a rookie versus rookie decision - let's say Crouch is the Emergency and has scored 70. Viney is yet to play. Would you keep Crouch's score (use the floating donut on the field) or would you play Viney? If you would keep Crouch's score, how low would it have to go before you would play Viney? If you decide to play Viney, how high would Crouch's score have to be before you decide to keep it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sc2013 View Post
    Suppose this is a rookie versus rookie decision - let's say Crouch is the Emergency and has scored 70. Viney is yet to play. Would you keep Crouch's score (use the floating donut on the field) or would you play Viney? If you would keep Crouch's score, how low would it have to go before you would play Viney? If you decide to play Viney, how high would Crouch's score have to be before you decide to keep it?
    We will have more information on that before we need to decide. ie. We might know a little more of what to expect from Viney after the NAB. Right now, I'd say you've nearly hit the mark. Bank the 70, roll the dice below that.
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    Seeing as Port, Melbourne, GC, GWS and the Bulldogs don't play a single friday night game, the best floating donuts would be from them. Considering Josh Prudden (WB 109,500 MID/DEF) for mine, as he is the cheapest DPP from these clubs (equal with Colquhoun).
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    Neade apparently performed well in trial still don,t think he'll play many games but still might be better options for floating donut .Maybe prudden or colquhoun better options, also more likely i,ll start with more def rookies than forward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davo View Post
    Neade apparently performed well in trial still don,t think he'll play many games but still might be better options for floating donut .Maybe prudden or colquhoun better options, also more likely i,ll start with more def rookies than forward.
    I reckon Colquhoun is in for early games, doesn't need to be promoted to the senior list or anything so if you are looking for a floating defnsive donut look elsewhere. Colquhoun will be a good cash cow in my view. Still beyond me how he slipped through th national draft to the preseason draft.
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    I,ll probably have 2 or 3 def rookies staker pittard terlich van unen etc so floating donut much better def/mid

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    yeah i guess we'll know by end of nab best option

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    What you think of rioli this year goodie should be hitting prime ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goodie's Guns View Post
    I reckon Colquhoun is in for early games, doesn't need to be promoted to the senior list or anything so if you are looking for a floating defnsive donut look elsewhere. Colquhoun will be a good cash cow in my view. Still beyond me how he slipped through th national draft to the preseason draft.
    I highly doubt it seeing as he only weighs in at 72kg... Will get smashed against the bigger bodies. At best will play late in the year imo.
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