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    In SuperCoach, the midfield plays an important role in the selection of your team in terms of team structure. The obvious reason is that your midfield often has the true premiums of SuperCoach such as Gary Ablett, Scott Pendlebury, Dane Swan, Marc Murphy and company, whereby they can consistently average in excess of 110 and can also be used as your captain.

    With the restructure of the SuperCoach rules, teams can now select 10 midfield players and 8 starting midfielders and therefore the option of selecting 0 to 8 premium midfielders. The premium midfield topic was previously discussed in the Engine Room article.

    The Engine Room article is about selecting your team based on your preferred midfield premiums, however an alternative to this is selecting your team based on your preferred rookies. Initially, this article was supposed to be on selecting your teams based on rookies, whether it be a defender, midfielder, forward or ruck, however coincidentally after week 1 of the NAB Cup, it appears that the rookies that are likely to get early games are categorised in the midfield in SuperCoach. Therefore, while the article is based on midfield rookies, the same principles apply to rookies in other positions.

    The poll from the Engine Room article indicate about 80% of the voters will have 3 to 5 midfield premiums in their initial SuperCoach team. I'm actually quite surprised with the poll result as I would have expected more premiums, possibly 80% of voters having 4 to 6 premiums.

    The question is will the outcome of round 1 team selection and more accurately, if more midfield rookies are selected round 1 with solid pre-season games change the structure of your team and the structure of your midfield?

    After week 1 of round 1 of the NAB Cup, you could say Brad Crouch with 7 (TOG 70%) and 7 disposals (52%) and Kane Mitchell (if elevated) with 6 (79%) and 11 disposals (85%) would be strong chances of being round 1 debuts. While week 2 of the round 1 NAB Cup has yet to be played, just off the top of my head, Jesse Lonegan, Jaeger O'Meara, Matt Jones and Jack Viney could be round 1 contenders. Mr Floating Donut might also need a spot as an initial rookie-priced midfielder.

    Therefore, the questions now becomes do you pick the premium midfielder or do you pick the rookie midfielder with the rookie midfielder having more chances to get games and/or good scores than rookies in other positions?

    For me, I think it's a combination of both, selecting on the basis of premiums and also on rookies.

    To illustrate that sometimes I do base my SuperCoach team on rookies, have a read of my article on my 8 Rookie Midfield strategy in SuperCoach 2010 where I finished 724th. Don't let 724th ranking mislead you in thinking the strategy was unsuccessful as I've always been of the view that my SuperCoach team of 2010 was far superior than my SuperCoach team of 2011 when I won the entire competition. It is just I failed at the pointy end of the season with Rockliff and Podsiadly among other things. My point of mentioning that strategy is to firstly have a walk through memory lane and secondly to demonstrate that you can select your team based on rookies. My midfield comprised of J. Trengove, D.Martin , M.Barlow, L.Shuey, R.Bastinac, T.Banfield, M.Banner and L.Jetta.

    So far in SuperCoach 2013, my midfield rookie locks or near locks are Kane Mitchell (elevation is expected as Nick Salter's application for the Long Term Injury list has been lodged), Brad Crouch, Jaeger O'Meara, Matt Jones and Jack Viney. Mr Floating Donut also holds a spot in my team. With basic arithmetic, it means that at most I'll have 4 midfield premiums. Naturally, I'll be changing my team left, right and centre before the round 1 lockout, but at this stage my team is controlled by the rookies, in particular the midfield rookies.

    While the midfield rookies control the structure of my team, Gary Ablett and Scott Pendlebury trumps everything due to the fact I need them for scoring and captain/vice-captain loophole.

    One of the benefits of having more rookie midfielders is that you have less premium midfielders, whch all things being equal means you'll have more premiums in your team overall. This is because a premium midfielder can be priced at about $100K to $200K more than other premiums (excluding the first few of each non-midfield premiums). The other benefit is of course that as midfield premiums are priced higher they need to maintain a higher average to retain their value. I think if you can use the Loose Change wisely, ie the $100K to $200K then it could be an added bonus of having additional rookie midfielders.

    It's a difficult one to decide, however just a friendly reminder to not only look at the best midfield premiums, but to look at what rookies you may miss.

    Will you be planning your team based on the premiums or the rookies?

    While the outcome of the poll of this article could simply be the reciprocal of the poll of the Engine Room article, it may not due to the involvement of mid priced players and furthermore the poll of the Engine Room was done 2 months early before we saw any action from the rookies.

    For discussions Rookies, have a look at: Rookies Discussion

    NB - For the purposes of this article, I've ignored Pittard, Goodes, Stevenson as there will usually be spots available in the defence.
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    Been waiting for this article. One of the first things i'm sure we all noticed was that the high profile and likely round 1 starters were all mid only and not mid/fwd. I think in order to get good early growth you need to have at least 5 or 6 midfield rookies because it could be tough to pick the big point scoring rookies in other positions. Kerridge played quite well on the weekend too and could be round 1. I actually considered playing a strategy to your 8 midfield rookie option and have just 2 premiums!
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    With the partial lockout in place, it seems even more beneficial to have a high number of appropriate midfield rookies (If they are available) as you can make the most of the emergency lockout using your floating donut. Some rookies could score really low because of being subbed out, or just having a bad game. However, you can use the emergency loophole to attempt to get your highest rookies score. As a result your not just taking a gamble on which rookies you think will score the highest.
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    Last nights version of my team has 4 premium mids and 6 rookies Given what seems the likely lack of good back and forward rookies, the midfield is where the most promising seem to be. The likes of Kane Mitchell, Wines, Viney, O'Meara, Lonergan should see alot of game time, have good JS and score reasonably well thereby making some good money to enable the purchase of gun players to complete my team. So the theory goes...
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    Still not convinced about Kane Mitchell (still has to get elevated) but he wasnt overly impressive on the weekend. Yes he can run but his disposal is questionable. i like atkins from adel as a floating donut....
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    Need more watch time to see if mitchell wins a spot on my team
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    Kane Mitchell is the reigning Sandover Medalist. What more info. would you want!! When/if he is elevated, first mid rookie picked easily!!
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    5 at the moment but if all of o'meara, viney, wines, lonergan, crouch n kmitchell are named rd 1 ill be starting with all of them.
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    Your team needs to go where the best return for investment rookies are.

    This year it looks likes the midfield and the defense, for mine.

    In particular the midfield rookies look great value this year because the drafting of O'Meara, Crouch and Viney was compromised. The first two would have have been top 5 (top 3?) picks this year and should have been priced at 170k.

    Bargains! Which is what your initial team has to be about.
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    I can't decide between having 4 premiums, 4.5, 5 or even 6 in my midfield. While all the above reasons make sense to start with just 4 ... we now have an expanded midfield of 8 starters which gives you a chance to get a real points head start (given mids score the best) if you start with 6 over someone starting with just 3.5 or 4.

    The catch of course is where else do you make your money ... one options would be to start 6 premiums and then downgrade one or two after 2 rounds to the lowest BE of the rookies you missed ... maybe a waste of trades but this gives you a points head start as well as two weeks to see which of a fairly large group is worth jumping on.
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    Im thinking of getting chad wingard as a cash cow,
    Chad looks ready for that breakout year as he was a first round draft pick and being subbed off affected his price so that got me thinking if he plays well during th enab cup he will definately be in my team.
    is anybody else thinking the same of getting chad wingard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hazza109 View Post
    Im thinking of getting chad wingard as a cash cow,
    Chad looks ready for that breakout year as he was a first round draft pick and being subbed off affected his price so that got me thinking if he plays well during th enab cup he will definately be in my team.
    is anybody else thinking the same of getting chad wingard.
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    Jay did an excellent article on Chad Wingard back on Christmas day.
    Just click on his name where I have written it, and it will take you there.
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    Is interesting to see the stat for starting 6 rookies is now around 22%. The reference base is not large but a trend worth watching, particularly in the next few weeks as the real stuff gets closer. If Wines, O'Meara, Mitchell and co. put in some good NAB performances, may see the confidence in 6 strengthening. Perhaps the sample is not wide enough, but I am keen on 4 gun/6 rookie, don't know if I am brave enough, but nice to know how others think. A few good games from the aforesaid could give a bit of a guide.
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    Hey guys, I've recently joined this forum, and im looking for some tips on my midfield.
    M1 Gablet (He gets 180+ and ur screwed)
    M2 S pendlebury (Favourite player)
    M3 D Swan ( Only getting him because Im a pies fan, and it sucks when you see him rack up 35+ possessions but hes not on your team)
    M4 B meloney (Him, wines, monfries, toumpus, mundy, fyfe, crouch or free up cash to get marc Murphy
    M5 N lower (Dont want to get to carried away by his preformance last weekend, but hes always been on my radar)
    M6 C Wingard (What was it? 10 touches at 100% efficiency in nab cup for someone that cheap?)
    M7 J Viney (One of the best rookies)
    M8 J Omera (One of the best rookies)
    M9 S Dwyer (Donut,loophole)
    M10 K Mitchell (Would not pick him if he wasn't in a struggling side like Port)
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    Welcome Prochard. The tips I could give to pick player X or Y would not help you at all. You have attempted to rationalise each of your prospective picks based on the knowledge you have gained, just how to do it I think, the decision is yours in the end. Well and truly on the right track. But, get Ablett in, as you suggest, those big ones' of his will kill you.
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    I am also not convinced of Kane Mitchell being elevated. Wouldn't they have already elevated him after the pre-season rookie draft if he is that good? Also yes Port have a now LTI on their list of 40 opening up an elevation spot, but Port do NOT have to even use this spot to elevate anyone.

    I agree on Jesse and is quite cheap considering most first round picks. Another two I do believe we need to look out for is Jed Anderson with Clarko saying and I quote.

    “No one knows too much about Jed Anderson at the moment but we’re hoping that by the end of the year everyone will know him.”

    The other one I am looking at is Dean Towers from Syd. Sydney do not have an abundance of outside mids (nor semi-tall ones at that!). Dean is not only quick but reads the play well. He was the equal top SC scorer (with Grundy) on 64SC points in his game against GWS. Dean took a little time to settle into the pace of the game at senior level against Carlton and needed to make quicker decisions but backed it up very nicely vs GWS.

    Longmire is really looking toward pushing him for round 1 selection. Dean is also a mature age rookie @ 23 on the seniors list. He also broke former Hawk Trent Croad’s 15-year record in the vertical leap test and also produced strong results in the sprint tests. Here's a snippet of his season at North Ballarat.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuxG1J6ppP4
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    Quote Originally Posted by supergirl View Post
    I am also not convinced of Kane Mitchell being elevated. Wouldn't they have already elevated him after the pre-season rookie draft if he is that good? Also yes Port have a now LTI on their list of 40 opening up an elevation spot, but Port do NOT have to even use this spot to elevate anyone.

    I agree on Jesse and is quite cheap considering most first round picks. Another two I do believe we need to look out for is Jed Anderson with Clarko saying and I quote.

    “No one knows too much about Jed Anderson at the moment but we’re hoping that by the end of the year everyone will know him.”

    The other one I am looking at is Dean Towers from Syd. Sydney do not have an abundance of outside mids (nor semi-tall ones at that!). Dean is not only quick but reads the play well. He was the equal top SC scorer (with Grundy) on 64SC points in his game against GWS. Dean took a little time to settle into the pace of the game at senior level against Carlton and needed to make quicker decisions but backed it up very nicely vs GWS.

    Longmire is really looking toward pushing him for round 1 selection. Dean is also a mature age rookie @ 23 on the seniors list. He also broke former Hawk Trent Croad’s 15-year record in the vertical leap test and also produced strong results in the sprint tests. Here's a snippet of his season at North Ballarat.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuxG1J6ppP4

    Great information like this is always welcome. Great work and thanks for sharing.
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    Now im leaning towards picking pendlebury AND ablet and filling the other spots with rookies. Realistically, the are only 2-3 viable rookie options in both forward and defense IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Courtesans View Post
    Is interesting to see the stat for starting 6 rookies is now around 22%. The reference base is not large but a trend worth watching, particularly in the next few weeks as the real stuff gets closer. If Wines, O'Meara, Mitchell and co. put in some good NAB performances, may see the confidence in 6 strengthening. Perhaps the sample is not wide enough, but I am keen on 4 gun/6 rookie, don't know if I am brave enough, but nice to know how others think. A few good games from the aforesaid could give a bit of a guide.
    4-6 is scary but boy does it help with the overall balance of your team. I think most fall in love with 5-5 or even 6-4 is because they want to have that good start and knowing that you're guaranteed x-amount of points from 6 premium mids locks in safe points early. I think the guys who do the late bolting go with 4-6, pick all the right premiums elsewhere else and avoid the midpricers, which u have less of a need for with 4-6 or even 3-7 in the midfield
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prochard View Post
    Now im leaning towards picking pendlebury AND ablet and filling the other spots with rookies. Realistically, the are only 2-3 viable rookie options in both forward and defense IMO.
    Agree, it's probably only Macaffer, then about 3 rookies who will eventually get named round one but with dodgy JS, then the backs seem a bit better with Goodes the standout and a few Port boys but even then you never know how well they'll score.
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