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    I have been quietly lurking, but thought I might get a conversation started.

    2017 pre-season injuries and suspensions - post away!!

    - Neale delayed pre-season due to knee (?)
    - Cripps three months off with back issues
    - Bennell some leg issue (just for something different...)
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    Hi PC! You should get in to the soccer it's a good holiday sport.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Young View Post
    Hi PC! You should get in to the soccer it's a good holiday sport.
    Ha - I will stick to my cricket and beer, thanks though Mr Y
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    Not sure how serious but Hannebery's knee was being talked about after the GF. Apparently no surgery but in a knee-brace over summer. One to watch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stephen View Post
    Not sure how serious but Hannebery's knee was being talked about after the GF. Apparently no surgery but in a knee-brace over summer. One to watch.
    Hannebery's been good for 2 years but he hasn't scored over 150 in that time so he's not inflicting a lot of captaincy pain for non owners.
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    Bennell's calf issue is a giant red flag. It's the opposite leg to the one which plagued him in 2016, but even in 2015 he missed several games due to soft tissue injuries. In fact, in six seasons in the AFL he has only played one full season. As a fwd/mid he's very promising but you would need to pick him up with the expectation he only plays ~15 games. The frustrating part is he seems to pick up a lot of 1-2 week injuries when you look at the game by game break down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I am Cursed :( View Post
    Bennell's calf issue is a giant red flag. It's the opposite leg to the one which plagued him in 2016, but even in 2015 he missed several games due to soft tissue injuries. In fact, in six seasons in the AFL he has only played one full season. As a fwd/mid he's very promising but you would need to pick him up with the expectation he only plays ~15 games. The frustrating part is he seems to pick up a lot of 1-2 week injuries when you look at the game by game break down.

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    Geez you'd be tempted to use him as a stepping stone. Feel like he's way too much of a trap though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnsy44 View Post
    Cripps
    I had decided against starting Cripps, so I'm disappointed about this news too. If you decide against starting what would have been a popular player, you want them to play, and perform below expectations. Now he won't be so popular, so I'm too!

    Quote Originally Posted by freowho View Post
    Hannebery's been good for 2 years but he hasn't scored over 150 in that time so he's not inflicting a lot of captaincy pain for non owners.
    The key to Hannebery's improved scoring in the past 2 seasons has been that he raised his fitness. If he has knee problems, that has to put a cloud over his fitness levels. I won't be touching him early, unless he shows in the pre-season that his fitness is high again.

    Quote Originally Posted by I am Cursed :( View Post
    Bennell's calf issue is a giant red flag. It's the opposite leg to the one which plagued him in 2016, but even in 2015 he missed several games due to soft tissue injuries. In fact, in six seasons in the AFL he has only played one full season. As a fwd/mid he's very promising but you would need to pick him up with the expectation he only plays ~15 games. The frustrating part is he seems to pick up a lot of 1-2 week injuries when you look at the game by game break down.

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    If he plays 2 pre-season games, and is selected Round 1, you nearly have to risk picking him, depending on price.
    We're goin' to need a bigger boat...

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    West Coast have suffered a massive blow after it was revealed ruckman Scott Lycett may not return from knee surgery until midway through next season.

    Lycett was originally set to be available for round one after undergoing a PCL reconstruction during the off-season.

    But coach Adam Simpson says Lycett isn't likely to be ready until early-to-midway through next season.

    With Lycett and Nic Naitanui (knee) both injured, journeyman Jonathan Giles is set to lead the club's ruck division, with new recruits Drew Petrie and Nathan Vardy left to fight it out to be his back-up.

    Simpson said Naitanui is on track to return from his ACL knee reconstruction as early as round 15.

    And he said Lycett's recovery time needed to be stretched out given his size and the complex nature of the surgery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goodie's Guns View Post
    West Coast have suffered a massive blow after it was revealed ruckman Scott Lycett may not return from knee surgery until midway through next season.

    Lycett was originally set to be available for round one after undergoing a PCL reconstruction during the off-season.

    But coach Adam Simpson says Lycett isn't likely to be ready until early-to-midway through next season.

    With Lycett and Nic Naitanui (knee) both injured, journeyman Jonathan Giles is set to lead the club's ruck division, with new recruits Drew Petrie and Nathan Vardy left to fight it out to be his back-up.

    Simpson said Naitanui is on track to return from his ACL knee reconstruction as early as round 15.

    And he said Lycett's recovery time needed to be stretched out given his size and the complex nature of the surgery.

    http://wwos.nine.com.au/2016/11/30/1...tart-of-season
    Well that sucks... Had hoped he'd be back by Round 1.

    Hope Vardy has a ripper pre-season as I'm quite excited by him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goodie's Guns View Post
    West Coast have suffered a massive blow after it was revealed ruckman Scott Lycett may not return from knee surgery until midway through next season.

    Lycett was originally set to be available for round one after undergoing a PCL reconstruction during the off-season.

    But coach Adam Simpson says Lycett isn't likely to be ready until early-to-midway through next season.

    With Lycett and Nic Naitanui (knee) both injured, journeyman Jonathan Giles is set to lead the club's ruck division, with new recruits Drew Petrie and Nathan Vardy left to fight it out to be his back-up.

    Simpson said Naitanui is on track to return from his ACL knee reconstruction as early as round 15.

    And he said Lycett's recovery time needed to be stretched out given his size and the complex nature of the surgery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lost In The Sky View Post
    Well that sucks... Had hoped he'd be back by Round 1.

    Hope Vardy has a ripper pre-season as I'm quite excited by him.
    Bad news for a supporters of a Club can quite often be good news for SC in the pre-season.
    For those not going set and forget in the rucks this season, I think Giles will be a clever pick as a R2 stepping stone.
    He played 3 H & A games last season for:
    Rnd 13 - SC 60, TOG 72% rucked with McInnes against S Martin, who was too athletic on the day.
    Rnd 18 - SC 38, TOG 47% rucked with Lycett against Gawn. Enough said, 2nd Ruck against the seasons best!
    Rnd 23 - SC 123, TOG 73% Lycett started the game, but didn't finish. Rucked against Jacobs.
    That's an average of SC 74, TOG 64% against 3 handy opposition Rucks, and playing 1.5 games as 2nd Ruck.
    Historically his TOG figures are around 85%, so he can improve there, and even if he Rucks with Vardy I think Giles gets the number 1 ticket.
    I don't have H2A figures for 2016, but in 2015, where Giles played 3 games for SC 84, TOG 80% at Essendon (Rucked 1 out against Campbell for 85, 1 out against Phillips (GWS) for 106, 1 out against Jacobs for 61 in a 112 point thrashing). While those 2015 figures aren't hugely inspiring, what gives me hope is his H2A's that season. Giles averaged 22.3 H/Outs and 9 H2A's. That's a conversion rate of 40%, which was clearly the best conversion rate for any Ruck averaging over 20 H/Outs per game. Z Smith at 33.7% and Jacobs at 33.5% were the next best.
    I can see Giles potentially averaging low 90's off a high 60's price, after his discount. With good JS, that sounds perfect for a R2 Stepping Stone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rowsus View Post
    I can see Giles potentially averaging low 90's off a high 60's price, after his discount. With good JS, that sounds perfect for a R2 Stepping Stone.
    Giles to Gawn round 12 with a cheap Vardy as R/F cover.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rowsus View Post
    Bad news for a supporters of a Club can quite often be good news for SC in the pre-season.
    For those not going set and forget in the rucks this season, I think Giles will be a clever pick as a R2 stepping stone.
    He played 3 H & A games last season for:
    Rnd 13 - SC 60, TOG 72% rucked with McInnes against S Martin, who was too athletic on the day.
    Rnd 18 - SC 38, TOG 47% rucked with Lycett against Gawn. Enough said, 2nd Ruck against the seasons best!
    Rnd 23 - SC 123, TOG 73% Lycett started the game, but didn't finish. Rucked against Jacobs.
    That's an average of SC 74, TOG 64% against 3 handy opposition Rucks, and playing 1.5 games as 2nd Ruck.
    Historically his TOG figures are around 85%, so he can improve there, and even if he Rucks with Vardy I think Giles gets the number 1 ticket.
    I don't have H2A figures for 2016, but in 2015, where Giles played 3 games for SC 84, TOG 80% at Essendon (Rucked 1 out against Campbell for 85, 1 out against Phillips (GWS) for 106, 1 out against Jacobs for 61 in a 112 point thrashing). While those 2015 figures aren't hugely inspiring, what gives me hope is his H2A's that season. Giles averaged 22.3 H/Outs and 9 H2A's. That's a conversion rate of 40%, which was clearly the best conversion rate for any Ruck averaging over 20 H/Outs per game. Z Smith at 33.7% and Jacobs at 33.5% were the next best.
    I can see Giles potentially averaging low 90's off a high 60's price, after his discount. With good JS, that sounds perfect for a R2 Stepping Stone.
    Great analysis as always Rowan

    Personally, one of the reasons I finished as high as I did last year (looking back) was going for a set and forget ruck division compared to taking a punt on an R2 stepping stone as I had done in previous years. Taking Gawn and Goldy from the start saved me from having to make any trades in that area which came in handy during those injury-plagued weeks. Now in saying that, it is a risk (injury/suspension-wise), but I think I'd be leaning towards a similar strategy this year due to the success it brought me.

    I picked Goldy last season at full price not as much due to his scoring potential, but due to his almost unwavering durability. Gawn was seen to be more of a risk at the time. Now it seems we have two gun rucks who are quite durable. For me, that was one lesson learned. You may not have the highest scoring player in a position, but if they're close AND they're durable, they're a good pick.

    But if you do want to take a risk on an R2 stepping stone, Giles would be a great target
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    Daniel Wells has reportedly done his achilles (previously reported as torn calf) at training today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by t.thomas6 View Post
    Daniel Wells has reportedly done his achilles (previously reported as torn calf) at training today.

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    Why dosen't that surprise me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by t.thomas6 View Post
    Daniel Wells has reportedly done his achilles (previously reported as torn calf) at training today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doc ron View Post
    Why dosen't that surprise me.
    Recruit older, injury prone players, and you get what you deserve.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rowsus View Post
    Recruit older, injury prone players, and you get what you deserve.
    There was a reason North didn't match. You can't overpay for what you get.

    As much as I love Wellsy (he was my favuorite player at North) and I'm sad to hear he's injured again - couldn't of happened to a better club.
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    Quote Originally Posted by t.thomas6 View Post
    There was a reason North didn't match. You can't overpay for what you get.

    As much as I love Wellsy (he was my favuorite player at North) and I'm sad to hear he's injured again - couldn't of happened to a better club.
    I love wellsy too. Would have loved him to stay but he had to do what's best for him and I am really glad the club didn't cave also.

    But really?! I would have much rathered it happen to essendon or Richmond
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    Quote Originally Posted by benderiffic View Post
    I love wellsy too. Would have loved him to stay but he had to do what's best for him and I am really glad the club didn't cave also.

    But really?! I would have much rathered it happen to essendon or Richmond
    2 North fans posting in a row... didn't realise that many of you knew how to use a computer
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