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    For some of us 2017 can't finish soon enough and planting the seeds for 2018 planning has began. This thread for 2018 SuperCoach specific planning and discussion.

    General off season discussion like trades rumours etc can be discussed in the following thread:
    http://www.supercoachscores.com/thre...692#post360692

    First things first, welcome back to my never again list Heath Shaw! The new lynch pin of the backline is Sam Docherty. He will be the most expensive backline player. Generally we don't don't want to pay top dollar for our backline at the start of the year, however at 24 next year, he is moving into his peak years. Is he simply a must have?

    The most perplexing player for mine is Nat Fyfe. He will be cheap, but can he return to his previous years SC scoring prowess, or is his 2017 form his new normal??
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    Sam Docherty
    Nic Nat
    Robbie Gray
    Zach Merrett

    4 likely starters in my team.
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    Plans for 2018 is to actually plan!

    Went into 2017 with barely any plans to speak of and have paid dearly for it (although I have managed to grain ground: low of 54k to a high of 19k - so not a total write off).

    A few players I'll be looking at: Fyfe, Petracca, Oliver, Brayshaw, Naitanui, Parker/Hanners - basically a few of the up-and-comers from 2017 and some discounted premos.

    I can already see my final midfield for 2018 (or something like it): Danger, Pendles, Dusty, Bont, Titch, Kelly, Zerrett, Oliver - here come the youth!

    A few I probably won't target: Shaw, Treloar, Lynch (GC), JPK, Simpson, Sandi - that's all I can think of for now...
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    Bennell and O'Meara should be reasonably priced :-)

    Freeman must appear , surely

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    A few random thoughts.

    Defence.

    Docherty is the elite standout. Lock him in and throw away the key.
    Heath Shaw no longer relevant as a top 6 defender. Watched the GWS games closely. He is no longer their best player in defence. Their play runs through him less and less. Wilson and Williams sharing the kick in duties. Less share of the pie for Shaw.
    Laird. Will definitely be nominated as a defender and his output will be similar. Crows won't drop off so a safe bet to start.
    Rookie defenders have been very good scorers the last few years so I have been going light on starting premiums due to structure. Similar again next year.

    Midfield

    Danger is the new Ablett. Can't go without. Whatever the price he is worth it due to Captaincy ability.
    Selwood with his 3 will be priced 5 points lower than his proper average. Very consistent over the years and will always score big at kardinia Park. A sneaky look at the draw is vital for him for trade in purposes if not started.
    Merrett/Neale/T.Mitch/Dusty. The new wave. Can't see their output dropping. Very durable too. Would like to start multiples of these but will depend on structure.
    Zorko. Would love to start him as a pod. Especially if Rockliff leaves via free agency.

    Ruck

    NicNat has a good history but durability always questionable. Will depend on price but an escape plan like Sandi this year or R/F cover will be required.
    Gawn with a good pre-season will be hard to ignore with Melbourne on the up.
    Goldstein. Soft spot for Goldy. Has been a constant for me the last few years and is very durable and consistent. Will depend on his role at North. If he continues as the number one bean, a safe bet again.

    Forward

    Gray. I have him in the mids this year and is terribly inconsistent with his scoring. If he plays forward he needs goals to score well. Not the automatic lock in if he actually plays forward. If he runs through the middle then by all means I will start him.
    JJK. If the Eagles have an easy start, will probably start him and hope for a slingshot start.
    M/F gifts like McRae/Dalhaus/Yeo this year. Bread and butter of forward premiums. Interesting to see the options they give us next year.

    I have a rule that is so hard to follow. Do not start mid price. Whatever the perceived value... Start 3-4, one might come off but the other three that don't come off give up all that advantage and more... Play it safe and wait 2-4 games and then piggy back onto the bolter. Be ready to burn a few trades early for this purpose.

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    Docherty
    Danger, T Mitchell, Martin
    Nic Nat
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    I'm looking at building around

    Docherty, Laird
    Danger, Martin, Merrett
    Gawn
    Billings, Heeney

    Jelwood will always come in to consideration, Gray is a watch depending on his preseason and hopefully a bigger role in the midfield rotation. Nic Nat will be another one I'll be watching closely

    Will avoid - Shaw and although he has gotten better through the season Goldy too
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    Quote Originally Posted by frostylane View Post
    Docherty
    Danger, T Mitchell, Martin
    Nic Nat
    Heeney
    T Mitchell could be in my starting line up for the next 5 years. Started him this year and I keep forgetting he's in my team because he just does his job every week.
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    I think next year we have to have in our teams the up and coming premos: Doch, Dusty, Zerrett, Mitchell, Neale, Bont, Kelly, Clarry etc.
    It's hard to "Let go" of the older brigade who have done so well in past years eg. Ablett, Shaw, Joey, Pendles, JPK Roo etc.
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    Gawn and Nic Nat will be an attractive combo next season. I like seasons where the rucks take care of themselves.

    Gray would be a gift in the forward line.

    Laird just a lock and forget too. Wonder if Yeo'll be a D/M.
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    I always look for proven, durable premiums that are not overpriced. I expect I'll do the same next year.

    This year I took more mid-priced players, albeit many of them had premium or near premium records, but that has been a fail (not wholly, but in the main). I think part of it is somewhat bad luck (players not just getting injured, but getting injured early in the season, early in games, or missing games altogether as late outs) but unless there are some really compelling discounts, I expect I'll revert to normal practice even aside from this year's results. A key exception would be anyone that is so discounted that they look like making as much cash as a strong rookie (eg Sandi) rather than being a potential premium pick but unlikely to make $150k - so essentially you expect to trade them out, rather than retain them as a marginal keeper.

    A few additional notes for 2018 - as much for my future benefit as anything else

    - I agree with Obie, def rookies have been excellent despite pre-season concerns in recent years. I will very likely go light in defence as a result. Forward rookies have generally been poor.

    - Some of the best "rookies" have been slightly higher priced players with AFL experience, multiple pre-seasons under their belt, and a role: eg Witts, Marchbank, Hoskin-Elliott, perhaps Otten and Hampton. I will load up on similar types, the price premium is worth it (it's definitely not worth it for the top draft picks, in my view). As a counter-example, Myers has been terrible, for no obvious reason.

    - Having one really strong C option, or multiple VC options, is important. I don't feel like anyone has been that useful as VC other than Danger, either because they lack the ceiling, or they have been underperforming or injured. Paying up for Danger is probably worth it on this basis.

    - Rucks will be interesting. NicNat seems like a lock if fit. It's worth noting how unreliable WC have been with injury info (eg JJK), but I think his price and quality will get him over the line if he has a decent pre-season, or is so discounted that he's like Sandi this year. Any cheap ruck with significant talent and a much-improved role (sole ruck) is well worth consideration. I underestimated Nank early on (albeit I may be proven "right" by season's end) as well as Witts, who has inexplicably scored well above anything he's really shown before even when playing as sole ruck. Gawn should be cheap too and likely a top scorer. Goldy is another premium who could be quite discounted and worth picking if fit. Perhaps Stef if Smith is not on the scene. Rookie ruck cover is likely worth paying for if it's only $80k or so, otherwise pick an R-F with some chance of playing. Being sole ruck is probably th number one criterion - necessary, but not sufficient.

    - In the mids Danger is one I'll probably consider not picking but ultimately lock in. Pendles is so reliable and I'll likely start him again as usual. Selwood will be discounted due to his concussion score and remains a top mid and very durable. Starting him will depend on byes and the draw, but I'd like to. He's not much use as VC either if Danger largely goes big (and bigger than Selwood) in the same games. Dusty, Titch, Neale, Gaz, Sloane, Olive, Murphy, Bont, and Rocky all have question marks over them in my view at their current averages. Merrett looks pretty solid, and I'd probably go Titch and Dusty of that group, and maybe Rocky if there isn't too much injury risk elsewhere. Treloar could be interesting as a discounted, durable ball magnet, and based in the comments I've read here this year, it sounds like he couldn't use it much worse Hanners as a discounted and fairly reliable option. I may struggle to resist Fyfe, but he would want to show something, and it would help if Freo found some more goal kickers. Maybe Libba if the Dogs lose a key mid and he has a good preseason. Similarly for Prestia/Caddy, although there are two of them. JOM will be tempting again, and may be worth the risk if lower priced than this year. Perhaps Trengove, CEY.

    - Forwards will depend almost entirely on how many midfield types get forward status. Gray looks like a lock, maybe some of the Dogs, although they seem to mix up their roles, so don't expect full midfield roles. Freo has done something similar. I can't see myself starting any KPFs - they usually get cheaper and they're not reliable, with the possible exception of Buddy. Definitely no KPFs from week sides (eg Roughy). Maybe Ahern. Lids if really struggling for options, Bennell on the same basis as Sandi (an expensive rookie you ride until he breaks down) only.

    - Defs will basically be any good mids eligible as defs (eg Adams) and those who accumulate in the back half (eg Doch). Howe is durable and a name I really like, but he can have low scores due to role occasioanlly, s ther are probably better starting options. Laird is very solid but not a must have as a starter. Game style and structure changes seem to be key here, weighing on Rance and especially Shaw's performance, but boosting names like Roberton to relevance. Birchall an outside chance of he gets a game count discount. Maybe Keeffe, Goddard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freowho View Post
    T Mitchell could be in my starting line up for the next 5 years. Started him this year and I keep forgetting he's in my team because he just does his job every week.
    Not gonna lie, I may do so aswell.

    DEF:
    Docherty, Laird, Yeo?. Going light in defence seems to have been the right structure the past few years. Shaw never again.

    MID:
    Danger, Tmitchell & a few of these guys: Dusty/Zerrett/Zorko/Neale... (Potentially not starting Pendles for the first time in almost a decade. :O)

    RUC:
    2 of Gawn/NicNat/Kreuzer/Mummy/Stef/Goldy....NFI. Haven't gotten this combo right for ages, not since the good old cox/sandi days. Not jumping on Witts when I had the chance was the wrong move, so if a bargain no.1 ruck presents itself, I just may pick that one.

    FWD:
    Gray?, as many M/F's as CD can give us and keeping it light on KPP's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkie View Post
    Some of the best "rookies" have been slightly higher priced players with AFL experience, multiple pre-seasons under their belt, and a role: eg Witts, Marchbank, Hoskin-Elliott, perhaps Otten and Hampton. I will load up on similar types, the price premium is worth it (it's definitely not worth it for the top draft picks, in my view).
    This, with emphasis.
    Not starting any of Witts, MB, WHE or Otten killed my early season. I had guys like Florent and Taranto (early) putting up 40s on field while others made pts and cash. Went through trades like a maniac to correct but it's never been enough.
    Lesson learned, won't just blindly go for cheap and nasty rookies next year.
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    Think I will wait a few days before Round 1 when the Herald Sun produces a "SC cheat sheet for Dummies" and go from their.

    If we have $ 10,000,000.00 to play with again will probably look at :-

    C & VC (say $ 700,000.00 each) = $ 1.4 million
    12 x $ 500,000.00 = $ 6 million
    8 x $ 200,000.00 = $ 1.6 million
    Bench = $ 125,000.00 x 8 = $ 1 million

    Is the draft strong enough this year to find 16 starting rookies ?
    Without 1-2 discounted
    /mid-price players it is hard to find 12 players at $ 500,000.00 especially mids eg Beams , Kelly , Murphy , Oliver etc this year.

    Nic Nat seems to be the only discounted premium on offer so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkie View Post

    - Some of the best "rookies" have been slightly higher priced players with AFL experience, multiple pre-seasons under their belt, and a role: eg Witts, Marchbank, Hoskin-Elliott, perhaps Otten and Hampton. I will load up on similar types, the price premium is worth it (it's definitely not worth it for the top draft picks, in my view).
    Quote Originally Posted by Leroy View Post
    This, with emphasis.
    Not starting any of Witts, MB, WHE or Otten killed my early season. I had guys like Florent and Taranto (early) putting up 40s on field while others made pts and cash. Went through trades like a maniac to correct but it's never been enough.
    Lesson learned, won't just blindly go for cheap and nasty rookies next year.
    Hit the nail on the head here too for me personally. My biggest mistake this year was completely stuffing up my rookies, missing a few of them, it ruined my year and I've never caught up. In my 11 years of playing SC don't think I've stuffed the rookies up more than this year.

    Of course I don't want to over correct next year, but I think I'll spend more on rookies as well as leave more cash in the bank to be able to correct and bring in any $200k player I miss in my starting squad.
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    - Docherty seems as safe as Shaw has been in past years (except this year )
    - Lloyd with a small discount has been very consistent and can't see him not being a breakeven pick at the absolute worst.
    - Adams and Laird would be the other 2 I'd be looking at

    - Danger needs no explanation
    - Jelwood with the small discount
    - Zerrett never again will I go without him. So painful!
    - Titch, so consistent
    - Pendles, so reliable

    - Gawn, NicNat

    - Gray and Parker if they gain M/F status.
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    For me:

    DEF: Doch/Laird/Lloyd. Not sure Adams will qualify here.
    MIDS: Danger, Mitchell, Kelly, Oliver, Merrett,
    RUCK: NicNat, Gawn
    FWD: Hopefully Steele, Gray, Parker all get/keep M/F.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IDIG View Post
    - Docherty seems as safe as Shaw has been in past years (except this year )
    - Lloyd with a small discount has been very consistent and can't see him not being a breakeven pick at the absolute worst.
    - Adams and Laird would be the other 2 I'd be looking at

    - Danger needs no explanation
    - Jelwood with the small discount
    - Zerrett never again will I go without him. So painful!
    - Titch, so consistent
    - Pendles, so reliable

    - Gawn, NicNat

    - Gray and Parker if they gain M/F status.
    Adams won't be a defender.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nathan View Post
    Adams won't be a defender.
    Yeah i thought that as i typed it actually. The less obvious D/M and M/F options the better anyway.
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