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  • Dangerfield

    54 58.70%
  • Martin

    38 41.30%
  • Titch

    55 59.78%
  • Ablett

    2 2.17%
  • Kelly

    34 36.96%
  • Oliver

    9 9.78%
  • Zorko

    8 8.70%
  • M Crouch

    25 27.17%
  • Sloane

    2 2.17%
  • Duncan

    2 2.17%
  • Zerrett

    15 16.30%
  • Neale

    6 6.52%
  • Fyfe

    68 73.91%
  • Pendles

    22 23.91%
  • Bont

    17 18.48%
  • JPK

    1 1.09%
  • Jelwood

    4 4.35%
  • Treloar

    2 2.17%
  • Hannebery

    7 7.61%
  • Rockliff

    7 7.61%
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  1. #281
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    Quote Originally Posted by Manikato1 View Post
    Is Liberatore SC relevant any more? A few seasons ago he was a 110 midfielder. Since Luke Lemonade has taken over that has dropped away. Is it the different role? Is it the attitude? He is on the wrong side of the coach? Priced at 79 if he played a full midfield role could he get back to 100+?
    Quote Originally Posted by freowho View Post
    He'll never get his old role back. McCartney just kept him following the ball and smashing opponents into the turf.
    He's one I'm watching over the JLT.

    The Dogs were horrendous around the footy last season (near last in the league for clearances & centre clearances) and should be making a fair few changes to get back to being competitive again.

    The first move they should make in keeping the competitive animal, that is Libba, in the middle for longer.

    As has been discussed before, the Dogs changed up their line coaches last year and I don't think it went too well for them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Santoz View Post
    He's one I'm watching over the JLT.

    The Dogs were horrendous around the footy last season (near last in the league for clearances & centre clearances) and should be making a fair few changes to get back to being competitive again.

    The first move they should make in keeping the competitive animal, that is Libba, in the middle for longer.

    As has been discussed before, the Dogs changed up their line coaches last year and I don't think it went too well for them.

    Thanks Freo and Santoz for your thoughts. Will watch in the JLT.
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    Is Danger, Tich, Fyfe, Jelwood, Beams, Treloar, Cripps and then LDU a bit deep in the mids?

    as it stands my formation is

    3-0-5
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnsy44 View Post
    Is Danger, Tich, Fyfe, Jelwood, Beams, Treloar, Cripps and then LDU a bit deep in the mids?

    as it stands my formation is

    3-0-5
    7-0-4
    1-1-1
    3-0-5
    Hard to say until we see the rookies mate, set up a couple of structures youre comfortable with and go from there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnsy44 View Post
    Is Danger, Tich, Fyfe, Jelwood, Beams, Treloar, Cripps and then LDU a bit deep in the mids?

    as it stands my formation is

    3-0-5
    7-0-4
    1-1-1
    3-0-5
    I reckon yes at this early stage. I'm looking to only go 5 mids deep. We'll need the JLT to know for sure, but I think there are a few mid only rookies available so I'd keep a flexible structure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnsy44 View Post
    Is Danger, Tich, Fyfe, Jelwood, Beams, Treloar, Cripps and then LDU a bit deep in the mids?

    as it stands my formation is

    3-0-5
    7-0-4
    1-1-1
    3-0-5
    It is too early as others have said. No one can answer you without knowing the rookie landscape. That said, it feels too deep esp when I don’t see Joel (on a decline kind of and always gets cheaper) and Treloar (huge question marks after last year) as must haves to start.

    Beams? Yeah maybe. Maybe try dropping one back to s rookie and see if that helps your bargain hunting in other positions.
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    Is there a reason Coniglio is so much more popular than Steven? Same price, more proven, better ceiling, better durability.

    Steven's bye isn't great, but surely that's not the only factor ... I don't think I've heard him mentioned?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnsy44 View Post
    Is Danger, Tich, Fyfe, Jelwood, Beams, Treloar, Cripps and then LDU a bit deep in the mids?

    as it stands my formation is

    3-0-5
    7-0-4
    1-1-1
    3-0-5
    Wait and see on rookies, def rookies are very concerning. I'm going with 6 mids and a few cheaper options like barlow, mcdonald and sicily in other lines.
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    O’Meara intra club match:

    “Jaeger O’Meara was at his blistering best, collecting 33 touches, seven marks, six clearances and a goal.”

    He is 100% fit and firing. Has easily been the stand out of the pre season so far.

    At 315k total insanity not to start him. Even if goes down a single trade to a rookie on the bubble.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mpollock View Post
    O’Meara intra club match:

    “Jaeger O’Meara was at his blistering best, collecting 33 touches, seven marks, six clearances and a goal.”

    He is 100% fit and firing. Has easily been the stand out of the pre season so far.

    At 315k total insanity not to start him. Even if goes down a single trade to a rookie on the bubble.
    Intraclubs are notoriously bruise free and against second tier mids.

    Backing up games without getting knee soreness has always been the key thing for JOM, so still need to see how he goes in the JLT.

    Having said that, yes, M6 has been earmarked for JOM in my side. Although we were all burnt last year, gotta play the game year by year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkie View Post
    Is there a reason Coniglio is so much more popular than Steven? Same price, more proven, better ceiling, better durability.

    Steven's bye isn't great, but surely that's not the only factor ... I don't think I've heard him mentioned?
    Was having a look at Steven yesterday actually, used to be my very first picked in DT for a couple of years.

    Has only had the one season you would consider at keeper level and that was back in 2013 where he knocked up 110 (98 DT). 104 (112 DT) and 103 (104 DT) in 2015 and 2016 and at 28 this year I would think that 105 is probably more what we could expect from him, should he return to form.

    Does seem durable though, only 2 games missed in the last 3 seasons. Of note, his two worst seasons 2014 (85 SC) and 2017 (91 SC) coincided with Armitage missing a good chunk of footy, so I guess its possible that with Armitage's return and the development of Dunstan/Newnes and others, Steven could be freed up to play the outside role he is probably more suited to. Could turn out to be a solid M8 for those looking to go for someone different to Coniglio....he is definitely one I am considering
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkie View Post
    Is there a reason Coniglio is so much more popular than Steven? Same price, more proven, better ceiling, better durability.

    Steven's bye isn't great, but surely that's not the only factor ... I don't think I've heard him mentioned?
    The 91/20 Steven had last year has most likely scared some people off, even though my understanding is that he was suffering from hamstring tendon issues for much of the season.

    My take is that while Steven technically is "more proven, better ceiling, better durability", in my view he carries more risk then Coniglio.

    Steven will be 28 this year and taking out his spike year in 2013 of 110, I would have an expectation of a 100-105 season if fully fit. He also has season averages of 80's and 90's between those 100's, and while they may be due to injury, repeated dips in average are a concern.
    Coniglio only has one 100+ season, his breakout of year, where he scored 105. He hasn't had a chance to back that up due to injury, but he is only 24 so we don't know whether 105 is his floor, his normal expectation, or his ceiling. I would have his injury free range as 100-108 just due to the lack of information.

    Steven has shown a better ceiling, but he has also been the first player the opposition have looked to shut-down, which at times has proven to be very successful. This may change going forward with the youth that St Kilda now have running through the midfield and talk of Steven spending more time forward, but it is still a risk that Coniglio doesn't have. Coniglio has been known to do a run with role, but has scored well doing this, though it may limit his ceiling.

    Steven does have the better injury history, but he has missed stretches of games through his career and has also played though injury. While this is great from a club and football sense, it's not great from a SC sense as evidenced last year.

    Injury and scoring expectation are for me Coniglio's greatest risks and we will all have our own view on that as to whether the potential upside at his price merits taking that risk. I haven't put a serious team together yet, but I do have Coniglio as a player to look at during the JLT, but it will also be dependent on team structure as to whether I do select him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bomber18 View Post
    Intraclubs are notoriously bruise free and against second tier mids.

    Backing up games without getting knee soreness has always been the key thing for JOM, so still need to see how he goes in the JLT.

    Having said that, yes, M6 has been earmarked for JOM in my side. Although we were all burnt last year, gotta play the game year by year.
    I think the big difference is he has trained at 100% all pre season. And even late last year he was back at box hill and played a game in the seniors. He is no longer being “managed”.

    So all great signs. Obviously, like any player with history, there is always some risk.
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    Jack Steven anyone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fjholden View Post
    Jack Steven anyone?
    Look at posts 287, 291 and 292.
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    I remember Rowsus saying puck your C and VC first , then go from their so :-

    1. Dangerfield
    2. Fyfe
    3. Parker
    4. Cripps
    5. Rockliff
    6. Coniglio/JOM
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    Call me crazy (i probably am) but i like Steele a whole bunch more than Steven. Had his TOG capped for 3/4 of last year and is one of those rare ones that is training the house down this preseason, he is widely tipped to explode by many of the St Kilda faithful.

    With the expected increase in TOG and presumable time in the midfield with Steven spending more time forward. I can't see him not making an almighty jump this year.

    2015 - 7 games @ 63
    2016 - 10 games @ 64
    2017 - 20 games @ 91*

    2017
    Rd 1-19: 73% TOG, 21 disposals @ 87 SC
    Rd 20-23: 85% TOG @ 26 disposals @ 108 SC

    A very simplistic way of looking at it i know and whether he can get to the magical 110 is the 50k question but if i was one a 500ker, he'd be the one (and may well be). His bye sucks though..

    Edit: excuse the typos, I’m sick and tired!
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    Quote Originally Posted by IDIG View Post
    Call me crazy (i probably am) but i like Steele a whole bunch more than Steven. Had his TOG capped for 3/4 of last year and is one of those rare ones that is training the house down this preseason, he is widely tipped to explode by many of the St Kilda faithful.

    With the expected increase in TOG and presumable time in the midfield with Steven spending more time forward. I can't see him not making an almighty jump this year.

    2015 - 7 games @ 63
    2016 - 10 games @ 64
    2017 - 20 games @ 91*

    2017
    Rd 1-19: 73% TOG, 21 disposals @ 87 SC
    Rd 20-23: 85% TOG @ 26 disposals @ 108 SC

    A very simplistic way of looking at it i know and whether he can get to the magical 110 is the 50k question but if i was one a 500ker, he'd be the one (and may well be). His bye sucks though..

    Edit: excuse the typos, I’m sick and tired!
    You'd be a brave one I reckon, there wouldn't be many players out there that have managed consecutive 20+ppg increases I wouldn't think.

    He's a likely type And that scoring trend is one of the better looking ones you'll find but I don't think I could start a 500k player with the hope of a 15-20 ppg increase when there are others at better price points with the potential to do that and more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IDIG View Post
    Call me crazy (i probably am) but i like Steele a whole bunch more than Steven. Had his TOG capped for 3/4 of last year and is one of those rare ones that is training the house down this preseason, he is widely tipped to explode by many of the St Kilda faithful.

    With the expected increase in TOG and presumable time in the midfield with Steven spending more time forward. I can't see him not making an almighty jump this year.

    2015 - 7 games @ 63
    2016 - 10 games @ 64
    2017 - 20 games @ 91*

    2017
    Rd 1-19: 73% TOG, 21 disposals @ 87 SC
    Rd 20-23: 85% TOG @ 26 disposals @ 108 SC

    A very simplistic way of looking at it i know and whether he can get to the magical 110 is the 50k question but if i was one a 500ker, he'd be the one (and may well be). His bye sucks though..

    Edit: excuse the typos, I’m sick and tired!
    not worried by Armitage's return to the Saints midfield ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRuss View Post
    You'd be a brave one I reckon, there wouldn't be many players out there that have managed consecutive 20+ppg increases I wouldn't think.

    He's a likely type And that scoring trend is one of the better looking ones you'll find but I don't think I could start a 500k player with the hope of a 15-20 ppg increase when there are others at better price points with the potential to do that and more.
    Well, I am brave

    By others at better price points and potential do you mean JOM and Cogs? I really do think that jump for Steele is very possible. I know it goes against historical numbers but it's my gut telling me, he's got it in him.

    I would say he's still less than 20% chance to be in my team, which is an increase after the recent Rocky forward intra club stuff but i reckon i won't be able to resist JOM at 200k cheaper (against my better judgement).

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    not worried by Armitage's return to the Saints midfield ?
    Nah to be honest i haven't really been following Armitage's progress and wasn't completely sure if he was tracking for rd 1 but seems he might be...which interests me

    In the end, there's always gonna be x player playing x amount of midfield so if Armi's there, or Steven, Billings, etc, as long as Steele is a core member it almost doesn't matter how many rotate.
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