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  • Dangerfield

    54 58.70%
  • Martin

    38 41.30%
  • Titch

    55 59.78%
  • Ablett

    2 2.17%
  • Kelly

    34 36.96%
  • Oliver

    9 9.78%
  • Zorko

    8 8.70%
  • M Crouch

    25 27.17%
  • Sloane

    2 2.17%
  • Duncan

    2 2.17%
  • Zerrett

    15 16.30%
  • Neale

    6 6.52%
  • Fyfe

    68 73.91%
  • Pendles

    22 23.91%
  • Bont

    17 18.48%
  • JPK

    1 1.09%
  • Jelwood

    4 4.35%
  • Treloar

    2 2.17%
  • Hannebery

    7 7.61%
  • Rockliff

    7 7.61%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Herbie66 View Post
    I remember Rowsus saying puck your C and VC first , then go from their so :-

    1. Dangerfield
    2. Fyfe
    3. Parker
    4. Cripps
    5. Rockliff
    6. Coniglio/JOM
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    11. Spargo
    Correct.
    Step 1: Choose your Captain strategy and the players needed/involved.
    Step 2: Choose your Ruck strategy and the players needed/involved.
    Step 3: Fill your team with Rookies, as in the Rookies you'd be happy to start.
    Step 4: Have a preference order for these Rookies, and start replacing them with Prems, until you run out of cash.
    Step 5: See if the loose change left over can be put to good use, but don't use it just for the sake of using it.
    Step 6: Open a beer, watch the footy.

    It all sounds so easy when you see it laid out like that!
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    Think I've worked out that the only part of this strategy I'm good at is 6.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rowsus View Post
    Correct.
    Step 1: Choose your Captain strategy and the players needed/involved.
    Step 2: Choose your Ruck strategy and the players needed/involved.
    Step 3: Fill your team with Rookies, as in the Rookies you'd be happy to start.
    Step 4: Have a preference order for these Rookies, and start replacing them with Prems, until you run out of cash.
    Step 5: See if the loose change left over can be put to good use, but don't use it just for the sake of using it.
    Step 6: Open a beer, watch the footy.

    It all sounds so easy when you see it laid out like that!
    Cheers guru

    Step 1 is Danger , Fyfe & Spargo

    now if you can select my players for Step 2 to 5 , I will gladly buy you several beers :-)

    It does look so simple to follow , why do I stuff it up each year ?

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    openly biased towards O'Meara , just realised Brayshaw is only $ 900.00 dearer.

    Can we trust him with his game style ? or is too much a risk.

    Do people think he can go 20-22/90 + ?.

    Could be a steal at his price $ 100,000.00 cheaper than Hanley.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herbie66 View Post
    openly biased towards O'Meara , just realised Brayshaw is only $ 900.00 dearer.

    Can we trust him with his game style ? or is too much a risk.

    Do people think he can go 20-22/90 + ?.

    Could be a steal at his price $ 100,000.00 cheaper than Hanley.

    Cheers
    His skull is made out of Blu-tac the poor fella, concussions get worse and worse and more easily occur with repeated knocks.

    I'll be surprised if he ever plays more than 16 games, you can't play midfield and not get head knocks and he doesn't seem the type to shy away from contact.

    Has the talent but not tho body to let him express it IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRuss View Post
    His skull is made out of Blu-tac the poor fella, concussions get worse and worse and more easily occur with repeated knocks.

    I'll be surprised if he ever plays more than 16 games, you can't play midfield and not get head knocks and he doesn't seem the type to shy away from contact.

    Has the talent but not tho body to let him express it IMO.
    yeah spot on , he certainly won't change the way he plays the game , just did not realise his price , maybe if he could get the first 10-12 games in a row , he could be worth a look.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRuss View Post
    His skull is made out of Blu-tac the poor fella, concussions get worse and worse and more easily occur with repeated knocks.

    I'll be surprised if he ever plays more than 16 games, you can't play midfield and not get head knocks and he doesn't seem the type to shy away from contact.

    Has the talent but not tho body to let him express it IMO.
    Sadly, you are probably righ re Brayshaw. Interestingly, the Melb coaching staff have apparently been teachng him ways to protect his head better when he goes into packs. Not sure how much this is going to help him, but hopefully it reduces the risk of another serious head knock. It would be great to see him get a good run at it this season.
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    Looks like Cripps may play forward a bit more this year:

    http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-02-1...o-switch-it-up
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    Just re-thinking Ah Chee.

    I currently have him, based on decent wraps on his ability, although on further digging it seems like at Port he was lacking both opportunity and potentially the tank/the motivation to avoid drifting in and out of games.

    At WC he should have better opportunity, but I reckon he needs to average around 85 to be a good pick (which for me means making c. $150k in decent time - others may view this differently, of course).

    It looks like most teams have only 3 or 4 mids that hit that average based on 2017 stats.

    Some had as few as 2, and those with 5 or 6 were typically either very good sides (likely better than WC) or had a deep pool rotating through the midfield (Dogs, Port eg).

    I'm assuming Ah Chee would be comfortably outscored by Gaff and Shuey, and that Sheed, Redden and maybe Yeo would likely be ahead of him in likely mid time and scoring ... meaning Ah Chee would likely average <85 and be an okay stepping stone, but not really be a plausible choice as a rookie substitute.

    If he does well in the JLT with a full Eagles midfield I can always put him back in, but I'm thinking I may be better off planning without him for now.

    Does anyone have a view on this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkie View Post
    Just re-thinking Ah Chee.

    I currently have him, based on decent wraps on his ability, although on further digging it seems like at Port he was lacking both opportunity and potentially the tank/the motivation to avoid drifting in and out of games.

    At WC he should have better opportunity, but I reckon he needs to average around 85 to be a good pick (which for means making c. $150k in decent time - others may view this differently, of course).

    It looks like most teams have only 3 or 4 mids that hit that average based on 2017 stats.

    Some had as few as 2, and those with 5 or 6 were typically either very good sides (likely better than WC) or had a deep pool rotating through the midfield (Dogs, Port eg).

    I'm assuming Ah Chee would be comfortably outscored by Gaff and Shuey, and that Sheed, Redden and maybe Yeo would likely be ahead of him in likely mid time and scoring ... meaning Ah Chee would likely average <85 and be an okay stepping stone, but not really be a plausible choice as a rookie substitute.

    If he does well in the JLT with a full Eagles midfield I can always put him back in, but I'm thinking I may be better off planning without him for now.

    Does anyone have a view on this?
    Interesting background history re tank.

    couple of things. 80 average with a spike score in there should see him get to $400k, otherwise you are right, 85 is needed as the last 5-8% of value takes ages. Is it really that low, 2 mids at 85 at some teams. thought there would be more than that, including forwards.

    some earlier analysis showed 25%-33% of teams may have 4 players running at 95 and expect there is many more at +85.
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    Clubs with 85+ Average

    Adelaide 8 (4 mids)
    Brisbane 5 (2 mids)
    Carlton 6 (3 mids)
    Collingwood 6 (4 mids)
    Essendon 7 (4 mids)
    Fremantle 6 (5 mids)
    Gold Coast 5 (3 mids)
    Geelong 9 (6 mids)
    GWS 10 (6 mids)
    Hawthorn 5 (2 mids)
    Melbourne 7 (4 mids)
    North Melbourne 4 (2 mids)
    Port Adelaide 9 (6 mids)
    Richmond 9 (4 mids)
    St Kilda 7 (4 mids)
    Sydney 6 (4 mids)
    Western Bulldogs 5 (all mids)
    West Coast Eagles 6 (2 mids)

    120 players this season averaged 85 +

    D = 19
    F = 15
    F/M = 11
    F/R = 1
    M = 60
    R = 14

    I am sure Rowsus or Thanh will have list of players per club and position readily available in their stats :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkie View Post
    Just re-thinking Ah Chee.

    I currently have him, based on decent wraps on his ability, although on further digging it seems like at Port he was lacking both opportunity and potentially the tank/the motivation to avoid drifting in and out of games.

    At WC he should have better opportunity, but I reckon he needs to average around 85 to be a good pick (which for means making c. $150k in decent time - others may view this differently, of course).

    It looks like most teams have only 3 or 4 mids that hit that average based on 2017 stats.

    Some had as few as 2, and those with 5 or 6 were typically either very good sides (likely better than WC) or had a deep pool rotating through the midfield (Dogs, Port eg).

    I'm assuming Ah Chee would be comfortably outscored by Gaff and Shuey, and that Sheed, Redden and maybe Yeo would likely be ahead of him in likely mid time and scoring ... meaning Ah Chee would likely average <85 and be an okay stepping stone, but not really be a plausible choice as a rookie substitute.

    If he does well in the JLT with a full Eagles midfield I can always put him back in, but I'm thinking I may be better off planning without him for now.

    Does anyone have a view on this?
    Was more about his 2 way running than tank, had tank issues early but his last 2 seasons saw him build it to an acceptable level.

    Has the weapons to be a pretty decent inside mid if he applies himself and gets some continuity.

    At the top of my mid price list with Jaeger snapping at his heels. Should get a decent look over the JLT if Simpson gives him a go as a mid, won't go near him if he's playing HFF.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrainFedBeef View Post
    Interesting background history re tank.

    couple of things. 80 average with a spike score in there should see him get to $400k, otherwise you are right, 85 is needed as the last 5-8% of value takes ages. Is it really that low, 2 mids at 85 at some teams. thought there would be more than that, including forwards.

    some earlier analysis showed 25%-33% of teams may have 4 players running at 95 and expect there is many more at +85.
    Yes, it's surprisingly low ... good to know I suppose, especially for those of us looking at the likes of Ah Chee and maybe some of the Griffen, Armitage types.

    Would you agree with my (uninformed) take in where Ah Cher sits versus the Eagles mids, GFB?

    Quote Originally Posted by Herbie66 View Post
    Clubs with 85+ Average

    Adelaide 8 (4 mids)
    Brisbane 5 (2 mids)
    Carlton 6 (3 mids)
    Collingwood 6 (4 mids)
    Essendon 7 (4 mids)
    Fremantle 6 (5 mids)
    Gold Coast 5 (3 mids)
    Geelong 9 (6 mids)
    GWS 10 (6 mids)
    Hawthorn 5 (2 mids)
    Melbourne 7 (4 mids)
    North Melbourne 4 (2 mids)
    Port Adelaide 9 (6 mids)
    Richmond 9 (4 mids)
    St Kilda 7 (4 mids)
    Sydney 6 (4 mids)
    Western Bulldogs 5 (all mids)
    West Coast Eagles 6 (2 mids)

    120 players this season averaged 85 +

    D = 19
    F = 15
    F/M = 11
    F/R = 1
    M = 60
    R = 14

    I am sure Rowsus or Thanh will have list of players per club and position readily available in their stats :-)
    Thanks Herbie, nice work! I need to look up who that R-F is now

    Quote Originally Posted by BigRuss View Post
    Was more about his 2 way running than tank, had tank issues early but his last 2 seasons saw him build it to an acceptable level.

    Has the weapons to be a pretty decent inside mid if he applies himself and gets some continuity.

    At the top of my mid price list with Jaeger snapping at his heels. Should get a decent look over the JLT if Simpson gives him a go as a mid, won't go near him if he's playing HFF.
    Thanks BigRuss - I've had him in my side to a significant degree based on your prior comments/the rationale above ... a talented player who moves for more opportunity is a bit of a classic play as I see it. Then I was playing around with the SC stats filters and realised its may be a bit harder to hit 85 than I'd thought ... so if it wasn't an opportunity-only issue, he might be more lineball than I'd thought.

    I'll have a further think about whether or not he warrants a spot at the moment - he was obviously always a watch in the JLT, its more whether he's in or out by default going into that.

    One factor I'm weighing up is that there are other mid-prices that I have some interest in (JOM, Christensen, maybe Griffen, previously Armitage and Birchall) but if I pick too many, I may help my cash generation, but lack the trades to get to a fully upgraded side.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkie View Post
    Thanks Herbie, nice work! I need to look up who that R-F is now
    Ryder. Who of course, has lost his DPP status.

    hmmmm ...... and Nank!

    Both were F/R 85+ last season!
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    positions are this years positions

    sorry
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rowsus View Post
    Ryder. Who of course, has lost his DPP status.

    hmmmm ...... and Nank!

    Both were F/R 85+ last season!
    Quote Originally Posted by Herbie66 View Post
    positions are this years positions

    sorry
    I was interested in the one who is R-F this year (which is how the filters seem to work, as Herbie mentions - teams are based on 2017, positions on 2018, interestingly) ... I thought an R-F averaging high 80s might solve a few ruck dilemmas.

    Unfortunately it’s Pedersen, who is probably not SC-relevant unless Gawn goes down again ...

    ... in which case, we will probably all have him as our R1 replacement anyway
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    Quote Originally Posted by Herbie66 View Post
    positions are this years positions

    sorry
    That explains the differences, plus retirements, that I had in my tables.
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    sorry for the confusion

    2018 positions , based on 2017 averages.

    I should just leave the anaylis and stats to the experts :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Herbie66 View Post
    sorry for the confusion

    2018 positions , based on 2017 averages.

    I should just leave the anaylis and stats to the experts :-)
    Hell no! Good job. Keep up the good work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkie View Post
    Would you agree with my (uninformed) take in where Ah Cher sits versus the Eagles mids, GFB?
    Yes I think you are pretty much spot on.

    Shuey is the clear standout, A fit Gaff would usually be a clear second, But he has had an injury interrupted pre-season trying to overcome an ankle issue. So he might start a little slow. Sheed & Redden the next in line and both should see a nice rise in their numbers with Priddis gone so they could jump Gaff. Both should be able to win a fair bit more contested ball this year and see plenty more midfield minutes. Yeo should start out on the HB Line with small stints in the midfield so it depends on if you want to include him or not.

    We have relied on Priddis getting 30+ touches and being an anchor in the middle for so long, He is now gone and their will be both minutes and SC points up for grabs. Ah Chee will get his shot... Hopefully next week in the JLT. Weather he takes that chance for regular games and regular midfield minutes is another thing, But he would surely be hungry and ready to let Port know they made a mistake not playing him in past years. We don't just trade for players with no intent to actually play them.

    He is not locked for me, But I will be watching very closely. I suspect he will play both JLT games with next week being against his old side Port here in Perth and then the Derby which is usually a full dress rehearsal. Though the Eagles and Dockers are trying to schedule another Derby before round 1 for extra match practice.
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