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  • Dangerfield

    21 61.76%
  • Martin

    14 41.18%
  • Titch

    18 52.94%
  • Ablett

    0 0%
  • Kelly

    12 35.29%
  • Oliver

    6 17.65%
  • Zorko

    4 11.76%
  • M Crouch

    9 26.47%
  • Sloane

    1 2.94%
  • Duncan

    0 0%
  • Zerrett

    6 17.65%
  • Neale

    1 2.94%
  • Fyfe

    24 70.59%
  • Pendles

    9 26.47%
  • Bont

    6 17.65%
  • JPK

    0 0%
  • Jelwood

    2 5.88%
  • Treloar

    0 0%
  • Hannebery

    3 8.82%
  • Rockliff

    2 5.88%
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    Thought i'd kick this one off early as it's generally where we invest huge amounts of our salary cap and usually where our season is made/ruined.

    Big thanks to Erich for the indicative pricing from his SuperCoach Selector, and with the beauty of hindsight, the optimal starting midfield was somewhere between Leroy's Perfect SuperCoach analysis: - Rockliff, Zorko, Sloane, T Mitchell, Josh Kelly, Ebert, Murphy, Oliver (SPP, Barret, JDC)

    And the Herald Sun's perfect in hindsight midfield of: - Dusty, Rocky, Ebert, Kelly, Yeo, Murphy, Oliver, Neal-Bullen (SPP, SPS, Greenwood)

    What stands out is alot of the top priced starting mids in 2017 did not provide the expected output, which ruined a lot of coaches' seasons...especially traditionalists who would have trusted the numbers expecting the Pendles, Jelwood, JPK, Hanners, Parker, Rocky etc to bounce back...which they never really did..to then go on to suffer season ending injuries!

    Those who went with a bit of a moneyball/breakout approach were the big winners in the end; Kelly 474k, Oliver 383k, Crouch 505k, Duncan 502k, Murphy 433k all rewarded their owners handsomely with 4 of the top 10 mids for the year starting at less than $505k! This is often the case most years, with a bunch of top priced players dropping and a bunch of second tier players taking the next step. The toughest part is obviously predicting which is which?!


    The big starting midfield questions for 2018 are:

    a) will Pendles/Jelwood/JPK/Hanners/Parkers/Rocky bounce back

    b) can Bontempelli/Treloar/Cripp become true super premiums

    c) has there been a changing of the guard and are Dusty/Titch/Kelly/Oliver/Zorko/MCrouch the new super premos?

    d) who gets opportunities in 2018 with new vacancies at West Coast, Gold Coast, Brisbane and more importantly, can they do an 'Oliver' and end up a season defining pick.


    Rank Name '17 Games '17 Ave '17 Price '18 Price Diff
    1 P. Dangerfield 21 136.4 $716,900 $741,900 $25,000
    2 D. Martin 22 119.3 $588,300 $649,100 $60,800
    3 T. Mitchell 22 118.9 $565,600 $646,600 $81,000
    4 G. Ablett 14 114.8 $620,600 $624,400 $3,800
    5 J. Kelly 21 114.3 $473,800 $622,000 $148,200
    6 C. Oliver 22 111.5 $382,500 $606,300 $223,800
    7 D. Zorko 21 110.8 $593,000 $602,500 $9,500
    8 M. Crouch 22 110.6 $504,600 $601,900 $97,300
    9 R. Sloane 22 110.2 $591,000 $599,400 $8,400
    10 M. Duncan 21 109.8 $502,000 $597,400 $95,400
    11 Z. Merrett 21 109.2 $606,400 $594,300 -$12,100
    12 L. Neale 21 109 $612,800 $593,000 -$19,800
    13 N. Fyfe 21 108.8 $573,500 $591,700 $18,200
    14 M. Murphy 22 108.2 $432,500 $588,800 $156,300
    15 T. Adams 22 107.5 $527,800 $584,800 $57,000
    16 J. Macrae 22 106.9 $511,700 $581,600 $69,900
    17 Pendlebury 16 106.7 $645,700 $580,400 -$65,300
    18 Bontempelli 22 105.1 $586,100 $571,700 -$14,400
    19 J. Kennedy 19 102.6 $617,100 $558,300 -$58,800
    20 B. Gibbs 22 102.4 $577,200 $557,100 -$20,100
    21 J. Selwood 18 102.2 $606,600 $556,100 -$50,500
    22 A. Treloar 21 101.4 $605,400 $551,800 -$53,600
    23 D. Beams 19 101.4 $432,500 $551,700 $119,200
    24 S. Ross 22 101 $512,400 $549,400 $37,000
    25 T. Cotchin 22 101 $546,800 $549,200 $2,400
    26 N. Jones 16 100.9 $527,800 $549,100 $21,300
    27 B. Ebert 22 100.7 $437,100 $547,700 $110,600
    28 S. Menegola 19 100.4 $486,400 $546,000 $59,600
    29 C. Ward 22 99.7 $574,500 $542,500 -$32,000
    30 D. Heppell 22 99.5 $513,300 $541,500 $28,200
    31 L. Parker 22 99.3 $608,900 $540,300 -$68,600
    32 O. Wines 22 98.9 $533,700 $537,800 $4,100
    33 P. Cripps 15 97.7 $585,500 $531,700 -$53,800
    34 D. Shiel 22 97.7 $539,200 $531,600 -$7,600
    35 L. Whitfield 15 97.6 $441,600 $530,900 $89,300
    36 B. Goddard 22 97.4 $532,100 $529,900 -$2,200
    37 Hannebery 21 97.3 $616,800 $529,500 -$87,300
    38 T. Rockliff 20 96.3 $603,900 $523,900 -$80,000
    39 B. Crouch 17 96.2 $471,400 $523,500 $52,100
    40 L. Shuey 21 96.2 $574,500 $523,500 -$51,000
    41 Sidebottom 22 96 $577,800 $522,000 -$55,800
    42 A. Gaff 22 93.1 $493,300 $506,700 $13,400
    43 A. Hall 19 92.3 $519,800 $501,900 -$17,900
    44 S. Higgins 21 91.9 $426,400 $499,700 $73,300
    45 D. Zaharakis 22 91.2 $473,100 $496,300 $23,200
    46 Cunnington 20 91.1 $438,900 $495,600 $56,700
    47 J. Steele 20 91.1 $560,600 $495,600 -$65,000
    48 S. Selwood 11 90.7 $281,800 $493,600 $211,800
    49 J. Steven 20 90.7 $560,600 $493,400 -$67,200
    50 L. Dahlhaus 22 90.7 $520,700 $493,300 -$27,400
    51 J. Viney 18 90.4 $527,500 $491,700 -$35,800
    52 J. Lyons 18 89.8 $490,900 $488,700 -$2,200
    53 J. Ziebell 19 89.8 $514,200 $488,500 -$25,700
    54 D. Mundy 21 89.4 $507,200 $486,500 -$20,700
    55 C. Blakely 17 89.2 $400,400 $485,100 $84,700
    56 S. Grigg 22 88.5 $504,100 $481,200 -$22,900
    57 L. Dunstan 16 88.3 $391,700 $480,100 $88,400
    58 T. Scully 21 88.1 $530,000 $479,500 -$50,500
    59 J. Lewis 19 87.3 $540,600 $474,700 -$65,900
    60 E. Curnow 13 86.1 $552,100 $468,300 -$83,800
    61 D. Swallow 18 85.2 $280,200 $463,600 $183,400
    62 T. Boak 21 85.1 $496,800 $462,900 -$33,900
    63 J. Newnes 22 84.7 $482,000 $460,900 -$21,100
    64 I. Smith 22 84.7 $440,200 $460,900 $20,700
    65 M. Barlow 12 84.2 $533,200 $457,900 -$75,300
    66 D. Sheed 19 83.6 $267,400 $454,700 $187,300
    67 D. Prestia 19 83 $508,700 $451,200 -$57,500
    68 S. Coniglio 7 91.4 $575,900 $447,600 -$128,300
    69 L. Hunter 22 82.3 $515,400 $447,600 -$67,800
    70 R. Douglas 22 82 $419,700 $446,100 $26,400
    71 M. Blicavs 17 81.6 $491,600 $443,800 -$47,800
    72 J. Polec 21 81.5 $406,800 $443,200 $36,400
    73 S. Gibson 22 81.5 $468,600 $443,100 -$25,500
    74 D. Tyson 19 81.3 $493,000 $442,400 -$50,600
    75 S. Hill 18 80.4 $489,100 $437,300 -$51,800
    76 A. Swallow 16 80.2 $464,800 $436,200 -$28,600
    77 J. Redden 17 79.7 $348,600 $433,300 $84,700
    78 L. Taylor 22 79.6 $320,100 $433,200 $113,100
    79 C. Daniel 20 79.3 $430,100 $431,400 $1,300
    80 B. Hill 22 79.1 $355,200 $430,500 $75,300
    81 K. Stevens 15 79.1 $467,900 $430,500 -$37,400
    82 T. Liberatore 18 79.1 $494,100 $430,100 -$64,000
    83 R. Atkins 22 79 $405,100 $429,500 $24,400
    84 R. Bastinac 16 78.9 $453,600 $429,400 -$24,200
    85 S. Kerridge 11 78.4 $417,600 $426,300 $8,700
    86 L. Shiels 21 77.7 $383,200 $422,800 $39,600
    87 Henderson 18 77.2 $420,100 $420,100 $0
    88 N. Graham 10 77.2 $396,300 $420,000 $23,700
    89 T. Miller 20 76.3 $428,900 $414,800 -$14,100
    90 D. Parish 19 76.2 $392,600 $414,600 $22,000
    91 T. Phillips 18 75.9 $320,700 $413,100 $92,400
    92 B. Acres 18 75 $410,100 $408,000 -$2,100
    93 T. Dumont 19 75 $415,000 $408,000 -$7,000
    94 K. Jack 17 74 $488,100 $402,600 -$85,500
    95 M. Rosa 19 74 $392,500 $402,600 $10,100
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    Quote Originally Posted by Manikato1 View Post
    Yeah, i've seen some talk about fallen premiums (Pendles, Selwood, JPK the main ones) and for alot of people they seem like gimmes for next year (me included), while others are very weary of picking them for varying reasons. There was a post that i can't find now that summed it up perfectly.

    Is there anyone here with an early opinion on starting/not starting them at their perceived low starting prices?
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    In the case of Danger & Jelwood for me, it will be how does Gaz's arrival impact their numbers.
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    Danger and Dusty will have to play their way out of my team rather than in. A good pre season and the C and VC options are locked and loaded.

    For break out to uber premium I like Zach Merrett so he is my provisional M3

    From there I will be looking at value and structure. - D Heppell and Hannebery particularly seem very underpriced and still at a good age. I will be steering clear of older premo's such as pendles and

    Brad Crouch and Patrick Cripps are my "would love to have in my team players" but it may come down to room and bye structure.

    Under 500k to me is Stephen Coniglio sticking out like dogs uknowwhats - 450 is super cheap for him at his potential.

    So right now my Mids picked would be Danger, Dusty, Zerrett, Hannebery, Cripps, Coniglio...Rookies
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    Quote Originally Posted by Monya Meow Meow View Post
    In the case of Danger & Jelwood for me, it will be how does Gaz's arrival impact their numbers.
    I was a little keen on Duncan after what I saw of him late in the year. With gaz there I can’t see it benefiting him any. Danger I won’t allow myself not to start him lol

    I think this might’ve been discussed before but also the impact Gibbs may or may not have on Sloane/😒/Crouchx2??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Monya Meow Meow View Post
    In the case of Danger & Jelwood for me, it will be how does Gaz's arrival impact their numbers.
    Quote Originally Posted by IDIG View Post
    I was a little keen on Duncan after what I saw of him late in the year. With gaz there I can’t see it benefiting him any. Danger I won’t allow myself not to start him lol

    I think this might’ve been discussed before but also the impact Gibbs may or may not have on Sloane/��/Crouchx2??
    I think the Geelong mids will be a key question for 2018. Ex Ablett, I suspect I would have started Danger and Jelwood with confidence ... but I keep reminding myself, role is just so important; it often determines the best and worst picks.

    What do people think on the Geelong mids now?
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    I think the consensus was that Gaz would be playing forward more, thus putting Danger back in the mids.
    But who knows really
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    As I mentioned in a post on another thread this will be the first year I will not be starting Pendles ever and Jelwood in a while. Liked Cripps at the end of this season but have gone cold on him now. When I think of what I expect in ave I think he may not be able to do it.
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    This was a bit of fun reading about all those "absolute lock" predictions in the pre season last year. But some interesting info on Cripps at the bottom of the first page.

    http://www.supercoachscores.com/thre...ers-Discussion
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blaze View Post
    Danger and Dusty will have to play their way out of my team rather than in. A good pre season and the C and VC options are locked and loaded.

    For break out to uber premium I like Zach Merrett so he is my provisional M3

    From there I will be looking at value and structure. - D Heppell and Hannebery particularly seem very underpriced and still at a good age. I will be steering clear of older premo's such as pendles and

    Brad Crouch and Patrick Cripps are my "would love to have in my team players" but it may come down to room and bye structure.

    Under 500k to me is Stephen Coniglio sticking out like dogs uknowwhats - 450 is super cheap for him at his potential.

    So right now my Mids picked would be Danger, Dusty, Zerrett, Hannebery, Cripps, Coniglio...Rookies
    I'm a bombers fan but how do you see Zerrett getting his scores up? I saw him play very well this year but he scored a little bit worse later in the year where he got tagged, he already finds plenty of the football and the bombers will have Devon Smith, McGrath and an older Parish in their midfield (no Watson though). He could find more contested ball and be tagged a tad less (due to numbers) but I see Josh kelly as the guy who takes the step to being a 125 midfielder (if he spends more time on the inside of the midfield).

    I am currently favouring the same midfield as you are but with Kelly and Fyfe instead of Zerrett and Hanners.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1000litresgained View Post
    I'm a bombers fan but how do you see Zerrett getting his scores up? I saw him play very well this year but he scored a little bit worse later in the year where he got tagged, he already finds plenty of the football and the bombers will have Devon Smith, McGrath and an older Parish in their midfield (no Watson though). He could find more contested ball and be tagged a tad less (due to numbers) but I see Josh kelly as the guy who takes the step to being a 125 midfielder (if he spends more time on the inside of the midfield).

    I am currently favouring the same midfield as you are but with Kelly and Fyfe instead of Zerrett and Hanners.
    Zerrett has quite a lot of room for improvement with his time on ground.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Manikato1 View Post
    This was a bit of fun reading about all those "absolute lock" predictions in the pre season last year. But some interesting info on Cripps at the bottom of the first page.

    http://www.supercoachscores.com/thre...ers-Discussion
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    Quote Originally Posted by freowho View Post
    Zerrett has quite a lot of room for improvement with his time on ground.
    Nice one. What we easily forget is how young he is so as he gets pre seasons under his belt, his TOG/tank should improve which in turn should lead to improvement in his scoring (in theory).

    Like most, I’m also expecting us to have a few more wins this year, as well as a few big wins so reckon there’s a chance for improvement there as well.

    The tag is probably the only concern which doesn’t make him a skipper option unfortunately.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IDIG View Post
    Nice one. What we easily forget is how young he is so as he gets pre seasons under his belt, his TOG/tank should improve which in turn should lead to improvement in his scoring (in theory).

    Like most, I’m also expecting us to have a few more wins this year, as well as a few big wins so reckon there’s a chance for improvement there as well.

    The tag is probably the only concern which doesn’t make him a skipper option unfortunately.
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    Zerrett has quite a lot of room for improvement with his time on ground.
    Good point I do remember seeing a pretty low tog but was still worried about tags when considering him. He scored 87 (Lambert), 109 (impressive given he was tagged and hurt by Greenwood), 67 (Libba) and 92 (Touk Miller) according to fanfooty so whilst he doesn't wilt at all, he is somewhat impacted. With more tags it might be proven he can handle them. He is a gun on the outside but also a reasonably balanced player (heavily outside and to a lesser extent heavily inside players usually seem most vulnerable) who also has zip and nous, which help. Its possible he goes up and gets more ball with more time on ground but I think that could be countered by more attention next year. With Josh Kelly I saw a guy who was very dominant when he was allowed to play more time right in the guts (and teams will tend to tag Shiel) like he was in round 22 and believing he will bulk up again and play more there next year, I favour him over Merrett. I kind of discarded Merrett as an option but talking about him does make me reconsider him. Merrett will be 30K cheaper but I'll have enough money for that not to be an issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1000litresgained View Post
    Good point I do remember seeing a pretty low tog but was still worried about tags when considering him. He scored 87 (Lambert), 109 (impressive given he was tagged and hurt by Greenwood), 67 (Libba) and 92 (Touk Miller) according to fanfooty so whilst he doesn't wilt at all, he is somewhat impacted. With more tags it might be proven he can handle them. He is a gun on the outside but also a reasonably balanced player (heavily outside and to a lesser extent heavily inside players usually seem most vulnerable) who also has zip and nous, which help. Its possible he goes up and gets more ball with more time on ground but I think that could be countered by more attention next year. With Josh Kelly I saw a guy who was very dominant when he was allowed to play more time right in the guts (and teams will tend to tag Shiel) like he was in round 22 and believing he will bulk up again and play more there next year, I favour him over Merrett. I kind of discarded Merrett as an option but talking about him does make me reconsider him. Merrett will be 30K cheaper but I'll have enough money for that not to be an issue.
    Also think Essendon finish top 4 - good draw and improvement so plenty of pie for the bombers next year IMO. A ripper pre season from Zerrett and I like him in that high 500's but could be a top 3-4 mid category. Seems durable too
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blaze View Post
    Also think Essendon finish top 4 - good draw and improvement so plenty of pie for the bombers next year IMO. A ripper pre season from Zerrett and I like him in that high 500's but could be a top 3-4 mid category. Seems durable too
    highly unlikely i.m.o even with their easy draw which is no surprise seeing how much the afl love them

    beat no good teams and got done by the good teams and are to reliant on beating up on the lower teams but having said that managed to lose to brisbane
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    Quote Originally Posted by Manikato1 View Post
    This was a bit of fun reading about all those "absolute lock" predictions in the pre season last year. But some interesting info on Cripps at the bottom of the first page.

    http://www.supercoachscores.com/thre...ers-Discussion
    Was it a beginning of this year or the year before Cripps had a weak preseason due to back problems and some other injury?

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    Quote Originally Posted by freowho View Post
    Zerrett has quite a lot of room for improvement with his time on ground.
    Where can i find his tog% please if you don't mind, ta.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoGeta View Post
    Where can i find his tog% please if you don't mind, ta.
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