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  • Hurley

    15 17.44%
  • Yeo

    24 27.91%
  • Laird

    67 77.91%
  • Hibberd

    28 32.56%
  • Howe

    2 2.33%
  • Williams

    13 15.12%
  • Sicily

    23 26.74%
  • Gunston

    3 3.49%
  • Roberton

    4 4.65%
  • Ellis

    5 5.81%
  • Rance

    3 3.49%
  • Simpson

    11 12.79%
  • Witherden

    7 8.14%
  • Vlaustin

    0 0%
  • JJ

    1 1.16%
  • McGovern

    1 1.16%
  • McDonald

    6 6.98%
  • McGrath

    15 17.44%
  • Weller

    1 1.16%
  • Mills

    2 2.33%
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoGeta View Post
    Thanks for the clarification Herbie that has me more interested now, cheers.
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    Whether he has time to train up a Perryman I am not sure , I think Griffen may play HBF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herbie66 View Post
    Cheers

    Whether he has time to train up a Perryman I am not sure , I think Griffen may play HBF.

    I love the Heater ride , go for it.

    It must have been hard for Griffen leaving the Dogs then seeing them win a flag knowing his career was never as good as it was back at the kennel.
    I remember reading that Griff had ''issues'' anyway and that was part of the reason he wanted a change, that has always lingered in the back of my mind,
    add to that the injuries and i am as weary of Griff as i am of Jaeger O'meara.

    On my watch list now for sure though.
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    quite like the look of Angus Brayshaw
    kid can play, i'm not really aware of his current fitness base but I think he could push high 80's
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dimmawit View Post
    quite like the look of Angus Brayshaw
    kid can play, i'm not really aware of his current fitness base but I think he could push high 80's
    I like him too but he has to be a massive injury risk due to his head knocks. The club will be ultra cautious with him and he is a hard at it player. I think he will score well but I think there is more value in other injury risk players like birchall in def and bennell in the fwds and there are only so many you can take.

    He is around the same price as McGrath and Maynard who I also like but not sure if I see enough in any to take the leap to top 6-10 defenders....Maybe McGrath has the most upside of the 3?

    EDIT: Brayshaw is waaaay cheaper my bad. Could be a good stepping stone albeit with the injury risk
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dimmawit View Post
    quite like the look of Angus Brayshaw
    kid can play, i'm not really aware of his current fitness base but I think he could push high 80's
    Prefer McGrath around a similar price 380k, will play wing with Saad's inclusion, Bombers on the up, Jobe and Stanton gone so plenty of
    midfield points up for grabs, i can see a jump to 90 and less injury risk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkie View Post
    Reporting back on this, the feedback was:

    - Bucks likes him - the only reason he's still on our list. Didn't sound like he was seen as appealing.
    - Sam Murray the one to grab, will be given plenty of time/opportunity
    - Considering Maynard given more mid time
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dimmawit View Post
    quite like the look of Angus Brayshaw
    kid can play, i'm not really aware of his current fitness base but I think he could push high 80's
    Big watch for me. One of the best on there list when fit
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dimmawit View Post
    quite like the look of Angus Brayshaw
    kid can play, i'm not really aware of his current fitness base but I think he could push high 80's
    Have been following him myself. He or Petracca are expected to be spending more time in the middle this year with the general consensus being that Brayshaw in the middle would be more valuable to the team as a whole, and he's expected to see the bigger jump.

    Definitely on my watchlist, although i do have concerns about how regularly he's getting concussed. Long term issues aside, the club will be ultra cautious when he does cop one and all his good work (scoring wise) will be undone by an early concussion score + the likely annoying one week off/price drop that will follow.

    Not unlike any other year, I do think the backline is the position to take a risk as there don't really appear to be too many really obvious choices apart from Laird. Yeo and Hibberd i'm not completely in love with at this stage.
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    Here is an interesting snippet from a news story I found while researching Hibberd as a possible Def in my team. The Age article was written June 22 so the stats may not have held up after that.

    "He is enjoying a career-best season in averages per game for his kicking (16.5), kicking efficiency (80.3 per cent), total disposals (27.6), uncontested possessions (19.5) and rebound 50s (6.4), a crucial stat in modern footy."

    So does that mean it is not going to get any better and the only way is down?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Manikato1 View Post
    Here is an interesting snippet from a news story I found while researching Hibberd as a possible Def in my team. The Age article was written June 22 so the stats may not have held up after that.

    "He is enjoying a career-best season in averages per game for his kicking (16.5), kicking efficiency (80.3 per cent), total disposals (27.6), uncontested possessions (19.5) and rebound 50s (6.4), a crucial stat in modern footy."

    So does that mean it is not going to get any better and the only way is down?
    Probably, but it could mean he stays the same as well. Defenders premiums rarely maintain their average anyway, bar a few like Laird and Docherty. I suspect he might be a 95 average and therefore a solid pick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bontempele View Post
    Probably, but it could mean he stays the same as well. Defenders premiums rarely maintain their average anyway, bar a few like Laird and Docherty. I suspect he might be a 95 average and therefore a solid pick.
    yeah but look at what 530k can buy you in the midfield!
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    Quote Originally Posted by IDIG View Post
    Have been following him myself. He or Petracca are expected to be spending more time in the middle this year with the general consensus being that Brayshaw in the middle would be more valuable to the team as a whole, and he's expected to see the bigger jump.

    Definitely on my watchlist, although i do have concerns about how regularly he's getting concussed. Long term issues aside, the club will be ultra cautious when he does cop one and all his good work (scoring wise) will be undone by an early concussion score + the likely annoying one week off/price drop that will follow.

    Not unlike any other year, I do think the backline is the position to take a risk as there don't really appear to be too many really obvious choices apart from Laird. Yeo and Hibberd i'm not completely in love with at this stage.
    I'm interested in Brayshaw as well, but still cautious at the same time. I've noted a few of my thoughts below:

    1. Apparently the club have been spending time teaching him how to position his body differently in the contest in order to protect his head better. Hopefully this reduces the risk of a serious knock somewhat
    2. If he does get a knock which results in concussion, I think he would likely be out for an extended period and not just the 1 week you might expect of other players (ie ultra cautious approach)
    3. Not sure how good his fitness base is, but I would expect he has been able to do plenty of fitness work and with another pre season under his belt, this should help him next season
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoGeta View Post
    yeah but look at what 530k can buy you in the midfield!
    This is a really interesting statement and one I know I constantly battle with every preseason. While on face value its obviously true that more often than not your 500k mid will outscore your 500k Def/fwd, I'm not sure that's the only way to approach our starting teams. I think it's just as important to try an have a clear idea of what you'd like your finished product to look like. Then the challenge becomes finding a starting squad(rookies permitting of course) that most resembles your finished deamteam. Trying to find the shortest route from A to B you might say.
    So while the 12th or 13th best mid may very well be capable of outscoring the number 1 or 2 best def/fwds does it make them more valuable??
    Now I've said all that I think it's only fair to declare I'm a notoriously slow starter in this game( ranked about 40k after rnd 1 last 2 years) so maybe best to just ignore the above.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Manikato1 View Post
    Here is an interesting snippet from a news story I found while researching Hibberd as a possible Def in my team. The Age article was written June 22 so the stats may not have held up after that.

    "He is enjoying a career-best season in averages per game for his kicking (16.5), kicking efficiency (80.3 per cent), total disposals (27.6), uncontested possessions (19.5) and rebound 50s (6.4), a crucial stat in modern footy."

    So does that mean it is not going to get any better and the only way is down?
    Quote Originally Posted by Bontempele View Post
    Probably, but it could mean he stays the same as well. Defenders premiums rarely maintain their average anyway, bar a few like Laird and Docherty. I suspect he might be a 95 average and therefore a solid pick.
    I just did the calc, and it looks like he scored 96.5 prior to this comment, and 101.4 after it. Looks like there was still some upside!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowman View Post
    This is a really interesting statement and one I know I constantly battle with every preseason. While on face value its obviously true that more often than not your 500k mid will outscore your 500k Def/fwd, I'm not sure that's the only way to approach our starting teams. I think it's just as important to try an have a clear idea of what you'd like your finished product to look like. Then the challenge becomes finding a starting squad(rookies permitting of course) that most resembles your finished deamteam. Trying to find the shortest route from A to B you might say.
    So while the 12th or 13th best mid may very well be capable of outscoring the number 1 or 2 best def/fwds does it make them more valuable??
    Now I've said all that I think it's only fair to declare I'm a notoriously slow starter in this game( ranked about 40k after rnd 1 last 2 years) so maybe best to just ignore the above.
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    My premium picks at the moment:

    Laird - Super reliable 100+
    Zac Williams - On an upward trend, and GWS should be keen to get the ball in his hands with Wilson gone.
    Hibberd - Seems to be the main man off half-back for Melbourne, and should at least average 95.
    Lloyd (if I go with a 4th premium) - Discounted from his injury game, and has improved every year.
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    Speaking of Melbourne, very loosely above.

    What are thoughts on the McDonald bros?

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue dreamer View Post
    Speaking of Melbourne, very loosely above.

    What are thoughts on the McDonald bros?
    From a Melbourne supporters point of view, Oscar was very important to how Tom played/scored. If Oscar could hold down the Tall Def role well enough, it freed Tom up to become more creative, and sneak Forward. With Watts gone, and Lever arriving, I see nearly a straight swap of roles. Lever takes Tom's spot down back, and Tom takes Watts role as a high Forward getting up the ground option. To be honest, I don't see that boosting Tom's output much. I do think it might make his scoring a bit more consistent though.
    Just on that, with Lever, O Mc and Frost, as well as Pederson and Tom being able to fill that role, I do wonder why drafted another tall Def.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bontempele View Post
    My premium picks at the moment:

    Laird - Super reliable 100+
    Zac Williams - On an upward trend, and GWS should be keen to get the ball in his hands with Wilson gone.
    Hibberd - Seems to be the main man off half-back for Melbourne, and should at least average 95.
    Lloyd (if I go with a 4th premium) - Discounted from his injury game, and has improved every year.
    Averaged 100+ once, and that was 100.2. Not sure how that translates into a "Super reliable 100+" evaluation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rowsus View Post
    Averaged 100+ once, and that was 100.2. Not sure how that translates into a "Super reliable 100+" evaluation.

    Definitely not a super reliable 100+ scorer but he's been consistently improving for three years and will be 24 next season, so I seem him as about the safest premium defender you will find (that would be Simpson but he could drop off at any minute). His rise to prominence as a super coach player coincided with Brodie Smith's demise (after only 1 year of 90+ scoring though) and his scoring without Smith looks good historically as far as I can tell, and it might lead him to kick more often (in place of Smith's kick-rebound role in defence). There is the chance teams put a tagger on Laird now that he's clearly their no.1 rebounding defender but I don't think he would be affected enough for them to become very regular. He is very good on the inside for a half-back, which would be beneficial when dealing with tags. What Lever leaving means is much less clear as intercept defenders might help half-backs gather uncontested possessions, it may however enable him to get more intercepts himself.
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