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    Quote Originally Posted by Drew View Post
    Tex, Jenkins and Lynch all 27/28 so you'd think he'd get his injury right in the immediate future and then develop in the SANFL for a couple of years. Gives them depth in the short term and puts pressure in a selection sense on the guys mentioned if he is as good as mentioned (I’m looking st YOU Jenkins!).

    In the long run will there to replace these guys though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blaze View Post
    So happy we picked sth aussie boys and LOVE that we got the FOG!
    Seconded! Good to get some home grown talent for once, seems like Fogarty's injury may have played into the Crows hands, touted as a top 5 pick but fell to us, makes sense why they chased pick 12 for Charlie Cameron, maybe they had an inkling they'd get him at 12.

    Now, let’s hope Melbourne bomb next year so we get a top pick in what's meant to be a strong draft with a few highly rated South Aussies in there. Going to be fun barracking against them!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRuss View Post
    Few phantom drafts around had him going early teens, must have some real work ethic/personality issues to slide so far. Excited to see how he goes.
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    Under 18 All Australian ruckmen last 2 seasons , listener rang up and I think said Darren Bewick ranked him , but all about attitude etc.

    Under age to AFL is a huge step so good luck to him.
    His time-trial time at the combine was almost the slowest from memory. Think his attitude is ok and obvs fitness can be improved, but this coupled with being a ruckman clearly scared off the top-30.
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    Not all players have a super high endurance base. He probably won’t ever be a great runner. But he should be able to put weight, and be a combative Ruck/FF.

    I thi j the query on his time trial was that he didn’t look like he was trying.
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    What I can say on all sliders (Worpol exempt) is that it’s effort and/or toughness that’s seen them slide. Houlahan and Hayes definitely need to learn how to work or they’ll both be gone in 2 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blaze View Post
    Gee you could make arguments for all for the top 5 playing R1 in those sides - i like davies-uniacke at North the most for SC purposes.

    Thoughts on diamonds in the rough from ann SC perspective? James Warpel to Hawthorn could be a great SC option. Tim Kelly seems the obvious one too - the cats must be looking to play him early
    Worpel's got the size to have a decent impact from the start if they choose to play him. Was hoping he would slip down to 49 so that the dons could pick him up.

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    Yes barring injuries, Rioli and Ryan should both come in to our round 1 team, Rioli was all set to debut round 1 last season until he got injured, things just didn't work out for him from there on but hopefully things are different next season. Dan Venables a lock to play round 1 also.

    Over the last several years West Coast haven't played our kids very much at all, but I think this will change after the mass list clean out at the end of last season. With regular senior players Mitchell, Priddis, Butler, Petrie, Wellingham and Hill all retiring or being cut, It opens up more opportunity for the kids. We just have to start playing them now. The highly rated Daniel Venables should come in straight away, the club think he is a Shuey clone and destined to be a star, Rioli and Ryan should also play straight away. Francis Watson a big chance to plays games dashing off half back, So to Jake Waterman who was very close to playing late last season after being named an EMG several times. From this years bunch You might see Brander & Allen debut later in the year, WC see Allen as a Mid so they will develop him in that direction I think. Petruccelle will start out as a small forward so will be battling with Ryan & Rioli. Not really sure on Ainsworth & Brayshaw, both could get call up's but you wouldn't be relying on these guys to hold their spots for long periods.

    Pretty sure we will look at rookie listing 2017 Sandover Medallist & former Docker Haiden Schloithe or 2017 Magarey Medallist & former Crow Mitch Grigg or maybe even both to help our midfield. If we draft either, they should play straight away and rack up good numbers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lost In The Sky View Post
    Yes barring injuries, Rioli and Ryan should both come in to our round 1 team, Rioli was all set to debut round 1 last season until he got injured, things just didn't work out for him from there on but hopefully things are different next season. Dan Venables a lock to play round 1 also.

    Over the last several years West Coast haven't played our kids very much at all, but I think this will change after the mass list clean out at the end of last season. With regular senior players Mitchell, Priddis, Butler, Petrie, Wellingham and Hill all retiring or being cut, It opens up more opportunity for the kids. We just have to start playing them now. The highly rated Daniel Venables should come in straight away, the club think he is a Shuey clone and destined to be a star, Rioli and Ryan should also play straight away. Francis Watson a big chance to plays games dashing off half back, So to Jake Waterman who was very close to playing late last season after being named an EMG several times. From this years bunch You might see Brander & Allen debut later in the year, WC see Allen as a Mid so they will develop him in that direction I think. Petruccelle will start out as a small forward so will be battling with Ryan & Rioli. Not really sure on Ainsworth & Brayshaw, both could get call up's but you wouldn't be relying on these guys to hold their spots for long periods.

    Pretty sure we will look at rookie listing 2017 Sandover Medallist & former Docker Haiden Schloithe or 2017 Magarey Medallist & former Crow Mitch Grigg or maybe even both to help our midfield. If we draft either, they should play straight away and rack up good numbers.
    So in other words a **** load of rookie priced options for SC at the Eags in 2018, nice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Herbie66 View Post
    listening on the radio tonight , they said IF he gets his attitude right could be the best ruckmen in the game within 5 years.

    massive wraps
    No doubt has plenty of potential.

    Not many ruckmen under 23 play at all,so if he is a regular by then you would expect him to have a decent career. Best in the game in 5 years would be a major surprise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by couchPOTATO View Post
    No doubt has plenty of potential.

    Not many ruckmen under 23 play at all,so if he is a regular by then you would expect him to have a decent career. Best in the game in 5 years would be a major surprise.
    think Grundy is only 23 and he is progressing nicely

    have no idea about Hayes to be honest

    I read somewhere that 50% of players don't last more than 2 years in the system due to step up in standard , physical demand , body not coping , training 5/6 times a week , expectations , commitment , leaving home , 18 and heads getting bigger , money in their pockets , ego of getting on a list etc etc

    be interesting to see how he copes and develops
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drew View Post
    Seconded! Good to get some home grown talent for once, seems like Fogarty's injury may have played into the Crows hands, touted as a top 5 pick but fell to us, makes sense why they chased pick 12 for Charlie Cameron, maybe they had an inkling they'd get him at 12.

    Now, let’s hope Melbourne bomb next year so we get a top pick in what's meant to be a strong draft with a few highly rated South Aussies in there. Going to be fun barracking against them!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Herbie66 View Post
    think Grundy is only 23 and he is progressing nicely

    have no idea about Hayes to be honest

    I read somewhere that 50% of players don't last more than 2 years in the system due to step up in standard , physical demand , body not coping , training 5/6 times a week , expectations , commitment , leaving home , 18 and heads getting bigger , money in their pockets , ego of getting on a list etc etc

    be interesting to see how he copes and develops
    Grundy and Nank were pretty much the only full timers in 2017 playing their 5th season or less with Grundy obviously doing so pretty much form season 1 unlike most other rucks drafted. He has plenty of time to become a superstar and may even be able to do so a fraction earlier than other rucks given he has so many games under his belt at a young age and it will certainly help the Pies immensely if he does.

    I definitely take pre-draft analysis with a grain of salt outside of the top 10 or so picks. As you say 50% of draftees won't play a game or last 2 seasons while plenty more will be cut after 15-30 games in 4-6 seasons. It obviously helps if you can go to a bottom club or one lacking a certain type of player in their #1 side and therefore get opportunity earlier but that club must be good developers of talent as well.
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    SuperCoach AFL 2018: the draftees that could become crucial cash cows

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    2017 ROOKIE DRAFT

    ROUND 1
    1. Brisbane Lions - Claye Beams (Brisbane Lions)
    2. Gold Coast - Josh Jaska (Geelong Falcons)
    3. Carlton - Matt Shaw (Gold Coast)
    4. North Melbourne - Thomas Murphy (Dandenong Stingrays)
    5. Fremantle - Bailey Banfield (Claremont)
    6. Collingwood - Flynn Appleby (GWV Rebels)
    7. Hawthorn - Harrison Jones (Murray Bushrangers)
    8. St Kilda - Doulton Langlands (Murray Bushrangers)
    9. Western Bulldogs - Billy Gowers (Footscray)
    10. Melbourne - Pass
    11. Essendon - Trent Mynott (Eastern Ranges)
    12. Port Adelaide - Lindsay Thomas (North Melbourne)
    13. West Coast - Ryan Burrows (South Fremantle)
    14. Sydney - Angus Styles (Sandringham Dragons)
    15. GWS - Dylan Buckley (Carlton)
    16. Geelong - Stewart Crameri (Western Bulldogs)
    17. Adelaide - Patrick Wilson (Sturt)
    18. Richmond - Liam Baker (Subiaco)

    ROUND 2
    19. Gold Coast - Nick Holman (Central District)
    20. North Melbourne - Gordon Narrier (Perth)
    21. Fremantle - Stefan Giro (Norwood)
    22. Collingwood - Brody Mihocek (Port Melbourne)
    23. Hawthorn - David Mirra (Box Hill Hawks)
    24. St Kilda - Lewis Pierce (St Kilda)
    25. Western Bulldogs - Roarke Smith (Western Bulldogs)
    26. Essendon - Pass
    27. West Coast - Tony Olango (NT Thunder)
    28. Sydney - Joel Amartey (Sandringham Dragons)
    29. GWS - Sam Reid (GWS)
    30. Geelong - Matthew Hayball (Geelong)
    31. Adelaide - Cam Ellis-Yolmen (Adelaide)

    ROUND 3
    32. Gold Coast - Mackenzie Willis (Gold Coast)
    33. Collingwood - Adam Oxley (Collingwood)
    34. Hawthorn - Dallas Willsmore (Hawthorn)
    35. West Coast - Callan England (Claremont)
    36. Sydney - Alex Johnson (Sydney)
    37. GWS - Pass
    38. Adelaide - Lachlan Murphy (Adelaide)

    ROUND 4
    39. Gold Coast - Pass
    40. GWS - Pass
    41. Adelaide - Jackson Edwards (Glenelg/Henley) [father-son]

    ROUND 5
    42. GWS - Pass
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    Quote Originally Posted by KLo30 View Post
    SuperCoach AFL 2018: the draftees that could become crucial cash cows

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    SuperCoach AFL 2018: the draftees that could become crucial cash cows
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    THE cash cow. SuperCoach’s most valuable commodity.

    Every year we scour the national draft looking for the next generation of young stars who will help up achieve SuperCoach glory.

    We’ve put together the names you need to know ahead of the pre-season campaign.

    While some might be expensive high draft picks there are several draft sliders that are sure to surprise.
    North Melbourne recruit Luke Davies-Uniacke.

    LUKE DAVIES-UNIACKE (North Melbourne)

    Expected position: Mid

    Expected price: $198,000

    Arguably the draftee with the most AFL-ready game and body should walk straight into the Kangaroos line-up. The Dandenong product was ranked No. 1 for disposal efficiency of all TAC Cup players to average more than 10 contested possessions. Expensive but with a SuperCoach friendly game and club.

    JARROD GARLETT (Carlton)

    Expected position: Mid-Fwd

    Expected price: $117,300

    “Mr Irrelevant”. The last pick in the draft but amazingly a former No. 15 draft pick at Gold Coast in 2014. After quitting the Suns due to family reasons at the end of 2016, Garlett is ready to go around again following a strong season with South Fremantle. Averaged 34 and 56 in his two seasons and after missing only one year, his price may be higher than his draft pick suggests.

    DOM BARRY (Port Adelaide)

    Expected position: Mid-Fwd

    Expected price: $117,300

    Has already had a taste of AFL but stepped away for personal reasons. Still only 23, he gets another chance at Port Adelaide after impressing for Glenelg in the SANFL, averaging 21 disposals. Has blistering pace and should step straight into Jarman Impey’s shoes.

    ZAC BAILEY (Brisbane Lions)

    Expected position: Mid

    Expected price: $148,000

    Expect him to start as a small forward at AFL level, a role which isn’t always SuperCoach friendly. However, his speed and aggressive tackling should see him get plenty of opportunity at the rebuilding Lions. Definitely one to watch in the pre-season.

    JAIDYN STEPHENSON (Collingwood)

    Expected position: Mid-Fwd

    Expected price: $193,000

    His health concerns didn’t stop Collingwood drafting him and we don’t expect they’ll stop the Magpies from playing him. Averaged a huge 132 SuperCoach points for Vic Metro and put together 22 disposals and three goals in the under-18 All-Star Grand Final curtain-raiser. A line-breaking talent with strong endurance.
    Jaidyn Stephenson in action during the under-18 All-Star game.
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    ANDREW BRAYSHAW (Fremantle)

    Expected position: Mid

    Expected price: $207,000

    Scored 100 or more in every TAC Cup game this year for Sandringham Dragons and ranked No. 1 for score assists. The Dockers’ list is in a state of flux and while he’ll be super expensive for a cash cow, we can be confident he’ll be given plenty of game time ... even if Ross Lyon is Ross Lyon.

    DYLAN MOORE (Hawthorn)

    Expected position: Mid-Fwd

    Expected price: $117,300

    Ranked No. 9 pre-draft by Champion Data but taken No. 67, making him a valuable cheap cash cow. Averaged 130 SuperCoach points in the TAC Cup for Eastern Ranges and 114 SuperCoach points for Vic Metro in the national championships. Hawthorn coach Alastair Clarkson isn’t afraid to play the youngsters.

    HUNTER CLARK (St Kilda)

    Expected position: Def-Mid

    Expected price: $184,000

    A stylish kick on both feet who averaged 129 SuperCoach points when playing midfield for Dandenong Stingrays. The Saints didn’t draft him No. 7 for no reason. He’ll play for the get-go and hopefully with dual position eligibility will be a popular pick. Price could be an issue if he’s a midfielder only.
    Hunter Clark in action for Dandenong Stingrays. Picture: Christopher Chan

    CHARLIE CONSTABLE (Geelong)

    Expected position: Mid

    Expected price: $123,900

    Yes, Geelong’s midfield is stacked but Chris Scott likes complementing his stars with youngsters. The Cats debuted eight in 2017, the second most of any club. At 190cm, Constable has the body to step into the AFL after averaging 120 in the TAC Cup finals and 121 at the under-18 national championships.

    ED RICHARDS (W. Bulldogs)

    Expected position: Def

    Expected price: $144,000

    Luke Beveridge isn’t afraid to give the kids a go and with Bob Murphy and Matthew Boyd retiring there’s a couple of spots open in the Dogs backline. Loves to run and attack with speed, which suits the Dogs game plan. In the final six TAC Cup games with Oakleigh, the halfback averaged 17 disposals, seven handball receives and three tackles.
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    Lindsay Thomas off to Port (as expected) they certainly are setting themselves up for a massive tilt at 2018.

    M Shaw, Buckley, Crameri off to new homes

    another 10 picked up by their original clubs, including 36. Sydney - Alex Johnson (Sydney) awesome, Nick Holman I think was on Carlton;s list so he may get a chance at the Gold Coast.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Herbie66 View Post
    Lindsay Thomas off to Port (as expected) they certainly are setting themselves up for a massive tilt at 2018.

    M Shaw, Buckley, Crameri off to new homes

    another 10 picked up by their original clubs, including 36. Sydney - Alex Johnson (Sydney) awesome, Nick Holman I think was on Carlton;s list so he may get a chance at the Gold Coast.
    Nick Holman at Gold Coast could be a good cash cow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freowho View Post
    Nick Holman at Gold Coast could be a good cash cow.
    Saad and Gazza out - Weller, Wigg, Young in - Barlow may or may not be fit for round 1
    GCS 2016 draftees by and large did OK but nothing to suggest they will be hogging midfield spots or minutes
    Despite their low 2017 finish the Suns didn't pivk up an A-Grade midfeld gun in the draft having sold the farm for Weller

    So as a big bodies mature ager Holman will definitely be worth keeping an eye on - hopefully he is basement rookie priced and picks up D or D/M positioning despite being a mid in the SANFL in 2016 and 2017.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Herbie66 View Post
    Lindsay Thomas off to Port (as expected) they certainly are setting themselves up for a massive tilt at 2018.

    M Shaw, Buckley, Crameri off to new homes

    another 10 picked up by their original clubs, including 36. Sydney - Alex Johnson (Sydney) awesome, Nick Holman I think was on Carlton;s list so he may get a chance at the Gold Coast.
    I played a year of footy with Lindsay at the maggies in 05 (played probably stretching it a bit as I did my first ACL in the March of that year). While I'm not the biggest fan of his on field antics since hes been an AFL player, you'd struggle to find a better bloke off field anywhere. Will be a great role model for the indigenous lads I think.

    Not sure if he plays seniors this year but we don't really have a player like him on the list so there's potentially a spot for him I reckon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRuss View Post
    I played a year of footy with Lindsay at the maggies in 05 (played probably stretching it a bit as I did my first ACL in the March of that year). While I'm not the biggest fan of his on field antics since hes been an AFL player, you'd struggle to find a better bloke off field anywhere. Will be a great role model for the indigenous lads I think.

    Not sure if he plays seniors this year but we don't really have a player like him on the list so there's potentially a spot for him I reckon.
    He struggled to get a game, in a struggling side last season. He's got on-field discipline problems. He's just a depth pick, I would think.
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