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  • Gawn $504k

    84 94.38%
  • Lycett $277k

    13 14.61%
  • Goldstein $521k

    16 17.98%
  • Ryder $567k

    12 13.48%
  • Jacobs $523k

    10 11.24%
  • Kreuzer $604k

    6 6.74%
  • SMartin $540k

    10 11.24%
  • Grundy $535k

    8 8.99%
  • Witts $518k

    1 1.12%
  • TBC $505k

    0 0%
  • Smith $502k

    0 0%
  • Nankervis $488k

    6 6.74%
  • Sandi $480k

    0 0%
  • NicNat $466k

    6 6.74%
  • Simpson $290k

    4 4.49%
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    Quote Originally Posted by freowho View Post
    NicNat and Gawn look like popular picks but the question of cover is a real problem this year. I can't see https://yawningbread.wordpress.com/2...l-that/amp/one worth taking. Lycett, Ryder and Cameron have renounced their dual citizenship. Lobb's application came in too late. Tippet is old and out of favour. Even if you put Lycett at R3 he now has to compete with Vardy for a spot. Stranadica is good for loopholing but won't have anyone to float with.
    Without Lobb as a R/F I think I'll pick a loophole player and cop the bye weeks. Could trade the loophole for a rookie once a couple of rookies have become loophole only types on my bench but I doubt it because that's a wasted trade

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    Naitanui on track for pre-season AFL games

    West Coast ruckman Nic Naitanui says he will rejoin the main training group soon as his recovery from knee surgery continues to gain momentum.

    West Coast ruckman Nic Naitanui insists he's on track to play during the AFL pre-season despite undergoing a minor procedure on his reconstructed left knee.

    Naitanui underwent an arthroscope in October to trim cartilage that had been causing him some discomfort at training.

    Rumours started to circulate that the 27-year-old had suffered a more-serious setback in his bid to return from a knee reconstruction.

    But Naitanui brushed off the speculation, saying he would resume full training on Monday.

    "I could train fully right at the moment," Naitanui told reporters on Wednesday.

    "I'm just taking it pretty easy at the moment. I had a pretty solid build-up into the off-season so my downtime is now. I trained throughout the break as well.

    "For me, this is my lower sessions and I'll build up again as of next week and work through the Christmas period.

    "I'll do everything. There's nothing I won't do. That means getting back into time trials and doing everything. It was never injuries or soreness. It was just a fact of loading."

    West Coast have just two pre-season games. They take on Port Adelaide on February 25 in Perth, before facing Fremantle on March 11.

    Naitanui is champing at the bit to play in at least one of those.

    And he said the talk of his "setback" was wide of the mark.

    "That's just Perth. Rumours spread. I think I'm going to be hearing that the rest of my career, that I've had a setback," Naitanui said.

    "I feel really good. I'm back running, training and kicking goals, doing what I do. As of Monday, once I'm in full training, that'll probably put some of that stuff to rest.

    "That clean-up I had in the off-season was just something I saw an opportunity to do. I didn't have to get it done but I thought I might as well while I had the opportunity.

    "I was back running the week after. It was one of those things that, if it was during the season, you would miss a week of footy and then be back the next week."
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    Quote Originally Posted by IDIG View Post
    Naitanui on track for pre-season AFL games

    West Coast ruckman Nic Naitanui says he will rejoin the main training group soon as his recovery from knee surgery continues to gain momentum.

    West Coast ruckman Nic Naitanui insists he's on track to play during the AFL pre-season despite undergoing a minor procedure on his reconstructed left knee.

    Naitanui underwent an arthroscope in October to trim cartilage that had been causing him some discomfort at training.

    Rumours started to circulate that the 27-year-old had suffered a more-serious setback in his bid to return from a knee reconstruction.

    But Naitanui brushed off the speculation, saying he would resume full training on Monday.

    "I could train fully right at the moment," Naitanui told reporters on Wednesday.

    "I'm just taking it pretty easy at the moment. I had a pretty solid build-up into the off-season so my downtime is now. I trained throughout the break as well.

    "For me, this is my lower sessions and I'll build up again as of next week and work through the Christmas period.

    "I'll do everything. There's nothing I won't do. That means getting back into time trials and doing everything. It was never injuries or soreness. It was just a fact of loading."

    West Coast have just two pre-season games. They take on Port Adelaide on February 25 in Perth, before facing Fremantle on March 11.

    Naitanui is champing at the bit to play in at least one of those.

    And he said the talk of his "setback" was wide of the mark.

    "That's just Perth. Rumours spread. I think I'm going to be hearing that the rest of my career, that I've had a setback," Naitanui said.

    "I feel really good. I'm back running, training and kicking goals, doing what I do. As of Monday, once I'm in full training, that'll probably put some of that stuff to rest.

    "That clean-up I had in the off-season was just something I saw an opportunity to do. I didn't have to get it done but I thought I might as well while I had the opportunity.

    "I was back running the week after. It was one of those things that, if it was during the season, you would miss a week of footy and then be back the next week."

    He did some amazing rehab/training in August in the States. A little trim won't effect his readiness come 2018 games.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KLo30 View Post
    He did some amazing rehab/training in August in the States. A little trim won't effect his readiness come 2018 games.
    Exactly, You have to consider the source of this "news", The minor knee clean out happened nearly 2 months ago... This so called journalist (Who is well known for completely making stories up) suddenly decides to try an make a big story of nothing.

    Nic Nat, as with several other Eagles players who have had operations, is on a personally tailored training program. He re-joins the main group on monday.

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    Having a look at the rookie priced RUC options, I'm preferring to pick an R3 that will either play round 1 (unlikely) or at least have a decent chance of playing at some stage this season.

    So for now I have English in there. Any doggies fans able to shed some light on his chances this season?

    Any other rookie priced RUC players in contention from other clubs too?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben's Beasts View Post
    Having a look at the rookie priced RUC options, I'm preferring to pick an R3 that will either play round 1 (unlikely) or at least have a decent chance of playing at some stage this season.

    So for now I have English in there. Any doggies fans able to shed some light on his chances this season?

    Any other rookie priced RUC players in contention from other clubs too?
    Any idea on Frampton as he's also R/F? Seems to be the only pure backup ruck for Ryder at Port (with Lobbe gone) and is 10k cheaper. Not sure on their loopholing schedules.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben's Beasts View Post
    Having a look at the rookie priced RUC options, I'm preferring to pick an R3 that will either play round 1 (unlikely) or at least have a decent chance of playing at some stage this season.

    So for now I have English in there. Any doggies fans able to shed some light on his chances this season?

    Any other rookie priced RUC players in contention from other clubs too?
    Bulldogs have had a lot of injuries these past few seasons, so there is always a chance he'll have a few games. It is hard to say at the moment when he would be given a chance to come into our best 22. With Trengove (Port) coming in, he'll likely play as key defender but also pinch hit in the ruck given his experience. Also Boyd likely to be used permanently as a forward but also rucking in the forward half. English's chances would be best if Roughead and Campbell aren't available as that "pure" ruck player who does the majority of ruck contests. Campbell has mobility struggles that could see him first in line if Roughy goes down. For me, it is between English or Cameron as R3.
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    I've been having a look at the old R/F combo at R3 and F4ish....must say I'm not liking the options. Perhaps a year to give it a miss?

    Here are the all the R/F options and their price. They have been colour coded to byes R10, R12, R13 and R14


    Pedersen, Melbourne, 471.7
    Stanley, Geelong, 412.8
    Tippett, Sydney, 369.0
    Daw, Nth Melb, 327.3
    McKernan, Essendon, 305.3
    Cox, Collingwood, 304.8

    Buzza, Geelong, 261.4
    McInnes, WCE, 255.9
    Smith, Brisbane, 224.3
    English, Bulldogs, 134.7
    Lynch, Collingwood, 123.9
    Frampton, Port Adel, 123.9
    Flynn, GWS, 123.9
    Hayes, Port Adel, 117.3
    De Koning, Carlton, 117.3
    Balta, Richmond, 117.3
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    Quote Originally Posted by Philzsay View Post
    I've been having a look at the old R/F combo at R3 and F4ish....must say I'm not liking the options. Perhaps a year to give it a miss?

    Here are the all the R/F options and their price. They have been colour coded to byes R10, R12, R13 and R14


    Pedersen, Melbourne, 471.7
    Stanley, Geelong, 412.8
    Tippett, Sydney, 369.0
    Daw, Nth Melb, 327.3
    McKernan, Essendon, 305.3
    Cox, Collingwood, 304.8

    Buzza, Geelong, 261.4
    McInnes, WCE, 255.9
    Smith, Brisbane, 224.3
    English, Bulldogs, 134.7
    Lynch, Collingwood, 123.9
    Frampton, Port Adel, 123.9
    Flynn, GWS, 123.9
    Hayes, Port Adel, 117.3
    De Koning, Carlton, 117.3
    Balta, Richmond, 117.3
    It's always a dangerous move to give the rookie R/F a miss. Never know when one of those no names become a SMartin, Gawn, Lycett etc. Tippett/Pedersen/Stanley/Daw could become relevant who knows. Best to at least leave the possibility open and start a rookie R/F
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    Even if English doesn't get picked rnd 1 he's a good donut for the captain's loophole with Gawn and NicNat for the first 5 rounds. It's rare not to have a donut show up somewhere else in your team by round 5 so it allows you to pick a full bench of playing cash cows on the other 3 lines.

    Edit: I was thinking even if you didn't have a donut by round 6 players would have had 3 price changes and you could trade either your least productive player or a rookie with an early big score that is about to be cycled out for a flonut on another line.
    I've been planning with Spargo at M11 but I'm warming to the idea of English at R3 as the flonut.
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    “He might be ready for the last JLT game, might be, but he’s still a way off". Tim Gossage says Nic Naitanui is yet to resume full training. | http://sen.lu/2mDwtxq | #SENDrive

    NicNat still not in full training.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoGeta View Post
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    NicNat still not in full training.
    He is in what some people refer to as a personalised training plan. I read this as he is being managed. If all was okay he would be in full training because there would be no reason not to have him in full training. This is not to say he will not start rd 1. I have him currently but I am actively looking for a fall back structure that will not give me grief in terms of team restructure or sucking up all my cash. I am now swinging to the opinion that he is more likely not to start than start rd 1. Do not think they would start him unless he is 100%
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    Any love for the big Kreuze this year? I had him for the back half of 2017 and enjoyed the ride (for once).

    Does anyone know how he's tracking? Could be anything with a full pre-season.
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    Way to expensive! 600k you can get an elite midfielder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aenimist View Post
    Any love for the big Kreuze this year? I had him for the back half of 2017 and enjoyed the ride (for once).

    Does anyone know how he's tracking? Could be anything with a full pre-season.
    Had him last yr an he was sensational. Not sure what their plan is with Lobbe this season, but if Krooz is sole ruck, he is most likely gonna finish Top 3. Finally playing consistent footy an will be having his 2nd/3rd full pre season in a row. Important for a big man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HotShame View Post
    Had him last yr an he was sensational. Not sure what their plan is with Lobbe this season, but if Krooz is sole ruck, he is most likely gonna finish Top 3. Finally playing consistent footy an will be having his 2nd/3rd full pre season in a row. Important for a big man.
    There are some great stats from Row and others that it’s unlikely that he’ll be in the top 3 rucks, as Rucks rarely ever back it up. Looks like more of a spike season that a new normal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aenimist View Post
    Any love for the big Kreuze this year? I had him for the back half of 2017 and enjoyed the ride (for once).

    Does anyone know how he's tracking? Could be anything with a full pre-season.
    It's well known on here thru Rowsus's analyses that the top rucks rarely back up the following year to the same standard,
    combine that with Kreuzer's injury history and price and it's hard to consider him a starter, but he could always buck the trends i guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jurn Stern View Post
    There are some great stats from Row and others that it’s unlikely that he’ll be in the top 3 rucks, as Rucks rarely ever back it up. Looks like more of a spike season that a new normal.
    lol, i really should read the posts above before i post...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jurn Stern View Post
    There are some great stats from Row and others that it’s unlikely that he’ll be in the top 3 rucks, as Rucks rarely ever back it up. Looks like more of a spike season that a new normal.
    U dont think it had anything to do with Krooz having finally an uniterrupted pre season an stringing some good continuous football together? I feel he will be Top 3, based on him quite possibly being A) Sole ruck B) Peak of his career. B) Full pre season again. He has missed 2 games in 2 yrs. Krooz is a very viable option/target upgrade. I am quite confident he will be challenging top 3 ruck status on ave/total pts barring injury. He is definitely a premier ruck in the comp now. Without a JLT game cup or early AFL rounds rounds played, i cant think of too many who will keep him out of there. Im currently rolling with Sauce an Gawn, based on going deeper in the midfield. Who else is there to challenge Top 3? Nic Nat? He’s gone from nearly playing in the finals last yr, to maybe not bein ready round 1. Goldy? Preuss an Nic Nat. Grundy? Has Cox to deal with. Stef Martin? With Archie Smith waiting in the wings. Ryder is another, awkward bye, along with Witts. Witts i think can back up his somewhat breakput yr (ave 94, 6x100’s, 6x90’s in 18 games) an maybe push his ave too 100 this season, just his bye sucks. Lobb doesnt count as he’s only a fwd. Krooz could be top 3 due to lack of options also. Im confident he aves 105ish this season.
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    U dont think it had anything to do with Krooz having finally an uniterrupted pre season an stringing some good continuous football together? I feel he will be Top 3, based on him quite possibly being A) Sole ruck B) Peak of his career. B) Full pre season again. He has missed 2 games in 2 yrs. Krooz is a very viable option/target upgrade. I am quite confident he will be challenging top 3 ruck status on ave/total pts barring injury. He is definitely a premier ruck in the comp now. Without a JLT game cup or early AFL rounds rounds played, i cant think of too many who will keep him out of there. Im currently rolling with Sauce an Gawn, based on going deeper in the midfield. Who else is there to challenge Top 3? Nic Nat? He’s gone from nearly playing in the finals last yr, to maybe not bein ready round 1. Goldy? Preuss an Nic Nat. Grundy? Has Cox to deal with. Stef Martin? With Archie Smith waiting in the wings. Ryder is another, awkward bye, along with Witts. Witts i think can back up his somewhat breakput yr (ave 94, 6x100’s, 6x90’s in 18 games) an maybe push his ave too 100 this season, just his bye sucks. Lobb doesnt count as he’s only a fwd. Krooz could be top 3 due to lack of options also. Im confident he aves 105ish this season.
    Your logic seems fine, but you probably could have said the same things about Gawn last year. I know Gawns injury and slow recovery wasn't expected, but that's just the point. The unexpected event can always happen, and the stats about the top ruck not backing up the following year show that in most instances we should expect the unexpected. Krooz might be an exception this year, but history suggests that the odds might be against him.
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