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  • Gawn $504k

    84 94.38%
  • Lycett $277k

    13 14.61%
  • Goldstein $521k

    16 17.98%
  • Ryder $567k

    12 13.48%
  • Jacobs $523k

    10 11.24%
  • Kreuzer $604k

    6 6.74%
  • SMartin $540k

    10 11.24%
  • Grundy $535k

    8 8.99%
  • Witts $518k

    1 1.12%
  • TBC $505k

    0 0%
  • Smith $502k

    0 0%
  • Nankervis $488k

    6 6.74%
  • Sandi $480k

    0 0%
  • NicNat $466k

    6 6.74%
  • Simpson $290k

    4 4.49%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yasi View Post
    Can’t see them rushing Nic Nat back anytime soon myself and even then ruck time will likely build up slowly. I think he’s just played his first half of footy in 18 months (not even at JLT level) and he spent plenty of that up forward practicing to use his body more so as to not jump as much as he has historically.

    Would love to see him back soon from a footy lover perspective and may go off Lycett yet if he looks closer than I am expecting.

    Think the extra cash from not starting Danger has seen a lot who were 1-1-1 going back to 2-0-1 now also.
    I thought he played something like 55-60% game time and had 15 touches and 33 hitouts in that recent match?
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    Quote Originally Posted by quite ironic View Post
    I thought he played something like 55-60% game time and had 15 touches and 33 hitouts in that recent match?
    Hmmm. That might change my view. Thanks for the heads up.
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    Yep these were the comments from the JLT thread. Sounds like he was up against a young kid but was a promising return first up for sure.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lost In The Sky View Post
    Nic Nat Updates from the WAFL thanks to Travis King from AFL Media...

    "Nic Nat starting at CHF for East Perth"

    "Jumping and landing on his left. Promising sign."

    "Nic Nat growing in confidence with his ruckwork in the third quarter. Appears to be leaping higher, finding teammates at will with tapwork. Jumping and landing off his reconstructed left leg without any issues."

    "Nic Nat watch Q3 ... Looks like he's done for the day after going to rooms just before siren. Encouraging comeback. 5 kicks, 9 handballs and 33 hit-outs in 54 minutes game-time."

    Great signs for the big fella and West Coast Fans.
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    You gotta feel for the other WAFL ruckman - he would've hardly touched the ball with NN getting a hitout every 100 seconds.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lost In The Sky View Post
    He was a 21yo beanpole with only 3 senior games of WAFL experience, lol
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    Such was the domination NN has sent him to an early grave? haha
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    Gawn , Cox F/R (Lycett)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herbie66 View Post
    Gawn , Cox F/R (Lycett)

    English in the forward line
    If you do go this way, why not have Cox in the Forwards where there is a lack of rookie options?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaca View Post
    If you do go this way, why not have Cox in the Forwards where there is a lack of rookie options?
    just the way I built my side , D , M , R , F will swap around for Rd 1 so Lycett is R2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yasi View Post
    Can’t see them rushing Nic Nat back anytime soon myself and even then ruck time will likely build up slowly. I think he’s just played his first half of footy in 18 months (not even at JLT level) and he spent plenty of that up forward practicing to use his body more so as to not jump as much as he has historically.

    Would love to see him back soon from a footy lover perspective and may go off Lycett yet if he looks closer than I am expecting.

    Think the extra cash from not starting Danger has seen a lot who were 1-1-1 going back to 2-0-1 now also.
    Quote Originally Posted by quite ironic View Post
    I thought he played something like 55-60% game time and had 15 touches and 33 hitouts in that recent match?
    Yeah he played well on the weekend getting through everything asked of him, More importantly he has also pulled up with no pain in the last few days after the match. So I think we will give Nic Nat some more minutes in the WAFL this weekend and if he pulls up fine after that... Should play Round 1.

    I do think Lycett will shoulder a fair bit of the ruck work for the early rounds though while NN works back into shape.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lost In The Sky View Post
    Yeah he played well on the weekend getting through everything asked of him, More importantly he has also pulled up with no pain in the last few days after the match. So I think we will give Nic Nat some more minutes in the WAFL this weekend and if he pulls up fine after that... Should play Round 1.

    I do think Lycett will shoulder a fair bit of the ruck work for the early rounds though while NN works back into shape.
    Do you have any view LITS on if he would survive if Nic Nat is back and Vardy get over his injury? I still think I’d be interested in starting him at R2 if he has reasonable JS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yasi View Post
    Do you have any view LITS on if he would survive if Nic Nat is back and Vardy get over his injury? I still think I’d be interested in starting him at R2 if he has reasonable JS.
    West Coast for a very long time have preferred a 2 ruck set-up, I don't see that changing especially with Nic Nat working his way back.

    Then it comes down to Lycett vs Vardy for that other spot. I still believe Lycett is the better player and also the better ruck and the spot is his to lose. Vardy's strong point has never been his ruck work, It has always been his forward work. With Nic Nat slowly coming back we need ruck work.

    Vardy will be out another 4-5 weeks, then have to regain fitness and form from there. That gives Lycett a fair head start in making that spot his.

    For Vardy to get into the team he has to regain his fitness and have a purple patch in the WAFL, or Lycett gets injured or completely spuds it.

    I personally see Lycett taking this opportunity, especially in a crucial contract year for him.

    I would have liked to have seen some better scoring and form in the JLT series, But he played 3 games, Looked fit and showed no signs of a dodgy shoulder laying lots of aggressive tackles.

    I think his JS for the first half of the season is really good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lost In The Sky View Post
    ... I think his JS for the first half of the season is really good.
    Thanks LITS. Always great insight
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    http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-03-1...ill-face-swans
    Simpson 'optimistic' Naitanui will face Swans
    WEST Coast coach Adam Simpson is "optimistic" Nic Naitanui can make an uplifting return in round one but the star ruckman still has hurdles to jump before being cleared to face Sydney.

    With only 10 days until the season-opener, the Eagles are deciding whether Naitanui needs more game time at East Perth this Saturday or if an intense training session on Friday will be better preparation.

    The 201cm big man has recovered well from his first hit-out in nearly 19 months following his knee reconstruction, and provided he reports no soreness Naitanui will be in the mix for the Swans clash.

    "We're optimistic (he can play). He's come off less (preparation in the past)," Simpson told AFL.com.au.

    "I don't think it's unreasonable to say he'll be available round one.

    "But we've probably got three or four sessions between now and round one and he needs to probably train and pull up really well from each of them."

    Naitanui "ticked all the boxes" in 54 minutes' game time for the Royals last Saturday and grew in confidence as the match wore on, showcasing his prodigious leap during a dominant third quarter.

    "That was his first game and in the end his instinct kicked-in," Simpson said.

    "He did some things there that he didn't do at training.

    "He did some things where we said 'Oh, that's Nic'."

    "That was a significant step towards playing round one, but it wasn't the last step.

    "He needs to cover some more ground and get another week of performance."

    During his 568-day stint on the sidelines, Naitanui honed his ruck craft and was often seen at training using his 110kg frame to outbody opponents while staying grounded at stoppages.

    When the 27-year-old last played the 'third man up' was still allowed, but now Naitanui might not have to rely as much on his dynamic leap.

    "We're still working through what kind of player we're going to get," Simpson said.

    "I'm hoping for what he was and if we don't get there, we'll adapt.

    "He was working really hard on not just being a run (and) jump player."

    While it would be a huge boost if Naitanui ran out for the Eagles' first game at their new Optus Stadium home, Simpson isn’t going to rush his most valuable player for the sake of one match.

    "If round one was the only game, he'd play," he said.

    "Now it's not overlaying parts of his game, jumping or tackling – that's all done.

    "He's played 60 minutes of WAFL footy. Is that enough to get you through 23 rounds coming off a knee?

    "We're not stressed about it. We've just got to make sure he's right for the year and we don’t want to force it all into one week."





    The last part makes it sound like NN could be a late out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lost In The Sky View Post
    West Coast for a very long time have preferred a 2 ruck set-up, I don't see that changing especially with Nic Nat working his way back.

    Then it comes down to Lycett vs Vardy for that other spot. I still believe Lycett is the better player and also the better ruck and the spot is his to lose. Vardy's strong point has never been his ruck work, It has always been his forward work. With Nic Nat slowly coming back we need ruck work.

    Vardy will be out another 4-5 weeks, then have to regain fitness and form from there. That gives Lycett a fair head start in making that spot his.

    For Vardy to get into the team he has to regain his fitness and have a purple patch in the WAFL, or Lycett gets injured or completely spuds it.

    I personally see Lycett taking this opportunity, especially in a crucial contract year for him.

    I would have liked to have seen some better scoring and form in the JLT series, But he played 3 games, Looked fit and showed no signs of a dodgy shoulder laying lots of aggressive tackles.

    I think his JS for the first half of the season is really good.
    I suggest that those taking the Lycett path are taking an enormous risk. There is no get out clause, or disclaimer. Braver players than I, hope he goes well for you.
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    https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/...=rss_sport_afl

    Simpson said the team would be drastically different to the side that reached the second week of the finals and has since lost a number of players to retirement, with Tom Cole, who had played six games, and Fraser McInnes (11) also chances to play in the first game.

    WCE $255,900 McInnes Fraser RUC FWD
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lost In The Sky View Post
    West Coast for a very long time have preferred a 2 ruck set-up, I don't see that changing especially with Nic Nat working his way back.

    Then it comes down to Lycett vs Vardy for that other spot. I still believe Lycett is the better player and also the better ruck and the spot is his to lose. Vardy's strong point has never been his ruck work, It has always been his forward work. With Nic Nat slowly coming back we need ruck work.

    Vardy will be out another 4-5 weeks, then have to regain fitness and form from there. That gives Lycett a fair head start in making that spot his.

    For Vardy to get into the team he has to regain his fitness and have a purple patch in the WAFL, or Lycett gets injured or completely spuds it.

    I personally see Lycett taking this opportunity, especially in a crucial contract year for him.

    I would have liked to have seen some better scoring and form in the JLT series, But he played 3 games, Looked fit and showed no signs of a dodgy shoulder laying lots of aggressive tackles.

    I think his JS for the first half of the season is really good.
    Hi LITS,
    regarding Fwd/Ruc McInnes, is Simpson thinking of playing him Fwd or Ruc or Both?


    Simpson said the team would be drastically different to the side that reached the second week of the finals and has since lost a number of players to retirement, with Tom Cole, who had played six games, and Fraser McInnes (11) also chances to play in the first game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bermi View Post
    Hi LITS,
    regarding Fwd/Ruc McInnes, is Simpson thinking of playing him Fwd or Ruc or Both?


    Simpson said the team would be drastically different to the side that reached the second week of the finals and has since lost a number of players to retirement, with Tom Cole, who had played six games, and Fraser McInnes (11) also chances to play in the first game.
    Intersted in both this and another question for LITS.

    My take, think the suggestion is he plays if Nic Nat doesn't get up and would be back up ruckman.

    What I am also interested in re this comment is if it up to 5 players and it is the journalist (from my read of article) suggested Cole or McInnes, it must mean that only one is being considered. Does that mean Cole less likely or does the inner sactum expect NN to play.
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    I am definitely not sold on Lycett as my 2nd ruck option but he is currently sitting there.

    One thing that I did notice was that in 2016 when Lycett and NicNat were playing together, Lycett had 6 games where he played 80% game time or more. In those 6 games he had an average of 97 (104,87,113,113,93,76)
    With NicNat easing back into things this would hopefully give Lycett every chance to play close to 80% game time which in my eyes should give him a chance to get close to a 90 average.

    However, McInnes i know nothing about so that might throw a spanner in the works if he handles some backup ruck duties
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    I'm so torn here.

    Lycett in the team, but don't feel great about it.

    I like GOldy's upside, but has Preuss, bye and overall trend issues.

    Martin, like him, but feels like he could do a Martin at some point.

    Paddy I like, might put him in despite his bye and because of his name...
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaca View Post
    I'm so torn here.

    Lycett in the team, but don't feel great about it.

    I like GOldy's upside, but has Preuss, bye and overall trend issues.

    Martin, like him, but feels like he could do a Martin at some point.

    Paddy I like, might put him in despite his bye and because of his name...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nathan View Post
    Nank is the answer
    You think? I think he's not a bad option tbh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaca View Post
    I'm so torn here.

    Lycett in the team, but don't feel great about it.

    I like GOldy's upside, but has Preuss, bye and overall trend issues.

    Martin, like him, but feels like he could do a Martin at some point.

    Paddy I like, might put him in despite his bye and because of his name...
    Hi Jaca,
    until recently, the rucks was one of my least concerns, set and forget with Gawn, Ryder and R3 Lycett.
    Now I am tossing up with Gawn, Ryder and R3 Fwd/Ruc Frampton with Fwd/Ruc Cox in the Fwd line.
    (Fwd/Ruc (PTA) FRAMPTON' William'96 $123,900, Seems to be the only pure backup ruck for Ryder at Port.)

    I would appreciate any criticisms, from anybody, with those 2 suggestions, as they seem to me to have less risks then other ruck combinations that I have seen.
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