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    Quote Originally Posted by freowho View Post
    I don't think Hondo has put a line through Hanley. I think he's working very hard to make sure everyone else puts a line through Hanley. :-)
    In that case let him be. Personally the more people that put a line thru him the happier I will be. So keep up the good work Hondo.
    Although being serious I have enjoyed reading the differing opinions and always think its wise no matter how sure you are on any one player to at least consider the negatives. So someone playing "devils advocate" so to speak, if done respectfully can make for a healthy site.
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    I had Hanley locked in from the end of last season, but I must admit, i'm starting to waver a bit.
    Injury type players don't usually improve with age, and he probably falls into this category, no matter how you describe the injuries.
    He's getting older, and while I don't put a line through 30 year olds, I'd prefer someone younger where possible.
    It is possible that his PIT60 average might make him a D6 at best, and I've always thought, and Hondo also mentioned, you shouldn't target D6/F6/M7-8's in your initial team, unless they are coming at an significant discount. You are just making a rod for your back, and also not leaving enough space for your targetted D3-4/F3-4/M4-6 to fall to, in case they don't live up to expectations.
    I don't have a specific figure in mind for my "significant discount", but I do know Hanley doesn't quite meet it for mine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hondo View Post
    Without trying to labour the Lumumba point, my comparison was based on the pick at the time some of us picked him. At that point in time he was presenting to us as midfielder, regardless of his history.

    But, enough on that. Some more points just on Hanley:

    - if he misses two games which you would have to consider likely then you lose 3-4 ppg off the average for that position assuming a rookie cover score of 60. So your hoped for 90 turns into 87. 85 into 82 and so on.
    - counting Cairns as an away game, they only play one game at their true home ground in the first 7 rounds including 4 consecutive away games 4 to 7.
    - his "form" years were now 3-6 years ago. He was in his prime mid 20s. Now he is 30 and apparently battling various ageing injuries. So in my mind a lot has to go right for him to even get to 90 let alone some estimates at 100.
    - finally, as Bomber quoted earlier Stewart Dew said “I think he has a really good mentality towards playing the game; I’ll lean on him a fair bit with his resilience down back, but I also think he’s worth a look in the midfield at times as well, because his decision-making and hand to foot skills are fantastic". That reads to me like primarily a defender.

    Then you have the question of do you pick a player in a keeper spot aiming for only 90? Is that lowballing your team from the start given barring injury these picks can end up clogging your side for most of the season. It's one thing to end up with 85-90 at D6 because of circumstances, it's another to actually go in to the season targeting it. Rance for example always seems to drop to around $428K and you could spend the same money but get an arguably better prospect. Who knows.
    Quote Originally Posted by Rowsus View Post
    I had Hanley locked in from the end of last season, but I must admit, i'm starting to waver a bit.
    Injury type players don't usually improve with age, and he probably falls into this category, no matter how you describe the injuries.
    He's getting older, and while I don't put a line through 30 year olds, I'd prefer someone younger where possible.
    It is possible that his PIT60 average might make him a D6 at best, and I've always thought, and Hondo also mentioned, you shouldn't target D6/F6/M7-8's in your initial team, unless they are coming at an significant discount. You are just making a rod for your back, and also not leaving enough space for your targetted D3-4/F3-4/M4-6 to fall to, in case they don't live up to expectations.
    I don't have a specific figure in mind for my "significant discount", but I do know Hanley doesn't quite meet it for mine.
    Recent soft tissue injuries and turning 30 don't mix well. To be reasonably successful he'd need to do what Tuohy did last year and play 22 games, averaging close to 90. Durability concerns just makes it more difficult for him to be successful as he'd need to average closer to 95+.

    Hanley hasn't got a good bye or draw either.

    If I had to go a cheaper option, I'd prefer to take a punt on McGrath or Sicily. Younger players so they are more likely to play 22 games.
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    Want to pick either 2 or 3

    Rich vs Witherden vs McDonald vs McDonald Hanley
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnsy44 View Post
    Want to pick either 2 or 3

    Rich vs Witherden vs McDonald vs McDonald Hanley
    Pick 2 from this group?

    I'd say Witherden and Hanley out of those few (despite badmouthing Hanley above). It was close between McDonald and Hanley, but Hanley has the history of going 95+ and is cheaper so if you had to choose, he's probably the better bet.
    Witherden's one to monitor for a proper breakout.
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    Pick one (def under 502k)
    J.Lloyd vs Ellis vs Rance vs McGovern vs Witherden vs Shaw vs L.McDonald vs Hanley.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bomber18 View Post
    Pick one (def under 502k)
    J.Lloyd vs Ellis vs Rance vs McGovern vs Witherden vs Shaw vs L.McDonald vs Hanley.
    Lloyd just ahead of LMac for mine. Been switching between the two of late. Witherden is also right up there but just not sure I can commit that sort of money to a kid who's played just 10 games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bomber18 View Post
    Pick one (def under 502k)
    J.Lloyd vs Ellis vs Rance vs McGovern vs Witherden vs Shaw vs L.McDonald vs Hanley.
    Ellis, then Rance

    Too many questions around Lloyd, Shaw, McDonald (roles, teammates)
    Don't like Hanley as an option
    Too risky spending that much on a 9-gamer (Witherden)
    McGovern never been able to quite reach an acceptable level (always 85-90)

    Rance possibly the safer pick of the 2, but I really like Ellis' chances of getting back to 95+ (scored 100 in 2015). Plus, Richmond have a relatively easy start to the year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by inwhiterooms View Post
    Lloyd just ahead of LMac for mine. Been switching between the two of late. Witherden is also right up there but just not sure I can commit that sort of money to a kid who's played just 10 games.
    Quote Originally Posted by TeeButOne View Post
    Ellis, then Rance

    Too many questions around Lloyd, Shaw, McDonald (roles, teammates)
    Don't like Hanley as an option
    Too risky spending that much on a 9-gamer (Witherden)
    McGovern never been able to quite reach an acceptable level (always 85-90)

    Rance possibly the safer pick of the 2, but I really like Ellis' chances of getting back to 95+ (scored 100 in 2015). Plus, Richmond have a relatively easy start to the year.
    Cheers guys. I was thinking Lloyd personally then Ellis/Rance.

    Ellis is a really tricky pick. Could finish at 100 but could also get stuck in that 85-90 range which would really suck at 500k and with the worst bye!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bomber18 View Post
    Pick one (def under 502k)
    J.Lloyd vs Ellis vs Rance vs McGovern vs Witherden vs Shaw vs L.McDonald vs Hanley.
    Rance with Ellis not far behind

    More upside in some of the others but those two are the safest to hit 90-95 and play most games.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bomber18 View Post
    Cheers guys. I was thinking Lloyd personally then Ellis/Rance.

    Ellis is a really tricky pick. Could finish at 100 but could also get stuck in that 85-90 range which would really suck at 500k and with the worst bye!
    To extrapolate my concerns about Lloyd, yes he's discounted from his '4' game, but:

    - Sydney have quite a hard early draw
    - His scoring dropped off markedly when McVeigh came back into the line up in R15

    If you ignore the '4' game (considering he pretty much only played for about 5 minutes), then between R1 and R14, he averaged 99. Then, when McVeigh came back in, he only averaged 80 from R15 onward.

    Personally, I'd be more nervous about Lloyd getting stuck in the 85-90 range than Ellis, but as 'Hasnoshoes' mentioned, maybe play it safe and stick with Rance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnsy44 View Post
    Want to pick either 2 or 3

    Rich vs Witherden vs McDonald vs McDonald Hanley
    We need some rookies to turn up in defence even expensive ones then you could exit that price range altogether and lock in a Hurley, Yeo type and a rookie

    Time will tell

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bomber18 View Post
    Pick one (def under 502k)
    J.Lloyd vs Ellis vs Rance vs McGovern vs Witherden vs Shaw vs L.McDonald vs Hanley.
    Just on Rance, his high SD often seems to have him drop into the low $400ks later on

    I had him last year and he only went at 90 and ended up as my D6 which is not too bad really but that was off a stellar year in the real game. Suggests his top end in that role “only” translates to 90 in SC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TeeButOne View Post
    To extrapolate my concerns about Lloyd, yes he's discounted from his '4' game, but:

    - Sydney have quite a hard early draw
    - His scoring dropped off markedly when McVeigh came back into the line up in R15

    If you ignore the '4' game (considering he pretty much only played for about 5 minutes), then between R1 and R14, he averaged 99. Then, when McVeigh came back in, he only averaged 80 from R15 onward.

    Personally, I'd be more nervous about Lloyd getting stuck in the 85-90 range than Ellis, but as 'Hasnoshoes' mentioned, maybe play it safe and stick with Rance.
    Thanks for that. Yeah, I've seen the stats re Lloyd's dropoff with McVeigh in the side. It is a concern but it is possible the roles might be changed up this season (with an eye on the future). Not sure the harder draw means much to Lloyd, he started pretty well when Syd were 0-6 last season.

    Rance does interest me but wonder if his role changed in 2017 with Richmond's game plan OR if he just didn't get as much backline ball as they finished top 4.

    In any case, all those players in that 425-500k bracket have their own concerns!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 30BucketsofRo View Post
    Walters. He played well in the midfield last year and not just as a pinch hitter. His ceiling is quite high especially as he has shown he can rack up the ball and push/ rest forward and kick goals. Still a bit inconsistent but worth the punt if he gets a run in the midfield. That’s he big question though, does Ross the Boss keep him inside 50 with the occasional run/game in the midfield or is the converse likely to happen?
    Just on Walters here, I think the addition of Matera should allow Walters to spend more time outside the 50 than in it....though Matera is prone to missing a few games through injury, so if an injury does occur, Walters role may be adjusted slightly.

    As thing stand Walters will be in my starting team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Experiment View Post
    Just on Walters here, I think the addition of Matera should allow Walters to spend more time outside the 50 than in it....though Matera is prone to missing a few games through injury, so if an injury does occur, Walters role may be adjusted slightly.

    As thing stand Walters will be in my starting team.
    Great point, totally forgot about the addition of Matera. Is he looking like fringe 22 or is he more firmly locked in?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 30BucketsofRo View Post
    Great point, totally forgot about the addition of Matera. Is he looking like fringe 22 or is he more firmly locked in?
    I reckon he's in the round 1 team mate...best small forward we have after Walters in my opinion and I really do think they brought him in with the intention of giving Walters more midfield time.
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    Matt Crouch v Clayton Oliver???

    Thinking Matt Crouch is the one to go as I don't think Oliver can go better this season than he did last season.

    Also with Gibbs coming to the crows, I think it frees up crouch a little more

    Thoughts?

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    Thinking of starting with JOM and Lycett, from all reports both are travelling well and provide some value.

    Could someone tell me how much money they would make after round 10 if they averaged the following.

    JOM-90 and 95
    Lycett-80 and 85.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pieman17 View Post
    Thinking of starting with JOM and Lycett, from all reports both are travelling well and provide some value.

    Could someone tell me how much money they would make after round 10 if they averaged the following.

    JOM-90 and 95
    Lycett-80 and 85.
    JOM 450/475k
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