View Poll Results: Which of the following rookies priced players will be in your initial team?

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  • Jack Martin ($222,300)

    44 89.80%
  • Tom Boyd ($217,300)

    1 2.04%
  • Joshua Kelly ($212,300)

    0 0%
  • Jack Billings ($207,300)

    6 12.24%
  • Marcus Bontempelli ($202,300)

    0 0%
  • Kade Kolodjashni ($197,300)

    28 57.14%
  • Matt Scharenberg ($192,300)

    2 4.08%
  • James Aish ($187,300)

    10 20.41%
  • Luke McDonald ($182,300)

    36 73.47%
  • Christian Salem ($177,300)

    2 4.08%
  • Alex Fasolo ($213,600)

    12 24.49%
  • Mitch Clark ($249,200)

    16 32.65%
  • Robin Nahas ($212,200)

    1 2.04%
  • Nathan Bock ($196,900)

    8 16.33%
  • Patrick Karnezis ($229,800)

    7 14.29%
  • Claye Beams ($183,400)

    23 46.94%
  • Jared Polec ($172,600)

    13 26.53%
  • Viv Michie ($172,600)

    19 38.78%
  • Dom Tyson ($216,800)

    12 24.49%
  • Jimmy Toumpas ($240,800)

    1 2.04%
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    I noticed there has been great interest in the Premium Rookies article written in March 2013 (which I've moved some post here), which was an analysis on whether to pick Premium Rookies in your initial SuperCoach team.

    Generally, I don't select premium (or high priced) rookies in my SuperCoach team as the starting breakeven is higher than the standard rookies and thus harder to generate cash as the premium rookies needs to score more. Naturally, all things being equal, we would assume that the premium (or high priced) rookies will have better job security and have better scoring potential.

    Therefore, it's a balancing act between the perceived better opportunity to generate cash and job security/scoring power. I won't discuss mature aged rookies (like those of previous year: Dayne Zorko, J-Pod, Michael Barlow, John Giles and Brett Goodes) as they are pretty much gimme rookies if we find them.

    In SuperCoach 2014, you may have noticed a few different things compared to SuperCoach 2013 such as the magic number increasing from 5,350 (2013) to 5,393 (2014). This increase probably doesn't effect us as it simply means every premium (with average say 100), you pay an extra $4,350 in 2014 compared to 2013.

    However, with premium rookies it's a bit different. For premium rookies, in addition to the magic number increase, it appears that super premium rookies have had higher breakeven point and thus starting price increased, which is illustrated below:

    SuperCoach 2014 5393 SuperCoach 2013 5350 Difference
    MD Jack Martin 222300 41.2 1 Lachlan Whitfield 199500 37.3 22800 3.9
    1 Tom Boyd 217300 40.3 2 Jonothon O'Rouke 194500 36.4 22800 3.9
    2 Joshua Kelly 212300 39.4 3 Lachlan Plowman 189500 35.4 22800 4.0
    3 Jack Billings 207300 38.4 4 Jimmy Toumpas 184500 34.5 22800 3.9
    4 Marcus Bontempelli 202300 37.5 5 Jake Stringer 179500 33.6 22800 3.9
    5 Kade Kolodjashni 197300 36.6 6 Jackson Macrae 174500 32.6 22800 4.0
    6 Matthew Scharenberg 192300 35.7 7 Oliver Wines 169500 31.7 22800 4.0
    7 James Aish 187300 34.7 8 Sam Mayes 164500 30.7 22800 4.0
    8 Luke McDonald 182300 33.8 9 Nick Vlastuin 159500 29.8 22800 4.0
    9 Christian Salem 177300 32.9 10 Joe Daniher 154500 28.9 22800 4.0

    Interestingly, if Vlastuin and Wines had debuted in 2014 instead of 2013, from a SuperCoach point of view, you would pay $192,300 for Wines instead of $169,500 and $182,300 for Vlastuin instead of $159,500. I wonder if that would have changed anyone's decision on picking them.

    I think if you had to pay an extra $22,300 for one premium rookie, the effect of the increase would be insignificant. However, if you have a number of premium rookies say 4-5, the extra increase does adds up. More importantly, it would also mean the 4-5 premium rookies now have higher breakeven, which means it will be harder to generate cash.

    In addition to the increase in premium rookies price by virtue of the magic number and the breakeven, there appears to a number of potential Bargain SuperCoach players with multiple subbed players, which could impact your decision on choosing rookie premiums.

    I strongly recommend you have a look at IDIG's Multiple Subbed Players - A Bargain Hunter's Paradise thread.

    As you can see there are a number of players, who if you exclude the games where they wear the green or red vest their average increases (ie adjusted averaged) compared to their actual average. The obvious logic why subbed players are considered a bargain, is if that player played the full game, then you would expect a higher average.

    Premium Rookies v Subbed Players

    To illustrate, whether you should pick a premium rookie or multiple subbed players (with the inherent discount), I have randomly picked 10 players form IDIG's table and compared it with Jack Martin.









    Difference
    Benchmark Price Ave Subbed Player Price Adj Ave
    Price Ave Adjust Ave Gain
    MD Jack Martin $ 222,300 41.2 1 Sam Docherty $ 285,000 74.9 -$ 62,700 -12 -33.7 22.0
    MD Jack Martin $ 222,300 41.2 2 Cameron Sutcliffe $ 256,900 69.4 -$ 34,600 -6 -28.2 21.8
    MD Jack Martin $ 222,300 41.2 3 Ben Kennedy $ 220,700 60.7 $ 1,600 0 -19.5 19.8
    MD Jack Martin $ 222,300 41.2 4 Liam Anthony $ 239,500 67.0 -$ 17,200 -3 -25.8 22.6
    MD Jack Martin $ 222,300 41.2 5 Jed Lamb $ 244,500 66.9 -$ 22,200 -4 -25.7 21.5
    MD Jack Martin
    $ 222,300
    41.2 6 Shane Savage $ 341,800 82.5 -$119,500 -22 -41.3 19.1
    MD Jack Martin $ 222,300 41.2 7 Ben Jacobs $ 260,400 64.7 -$ 38,100 -7 -23.5 16.4
    MD Jack Martin $ 222,300 41.2 8 Leroy Jetta $ 248,800 58.3 -$ 26,500
    -5 -17.1 12.1
    MD Jack Martin $ 222,300 41.2 9 Brad McKenzie
    $ 222,200 61.3 $ 100 0 -20.1 20.1
    MD Jack Martin $ 222,300 41.2 10 Jesse Stringer $ 264,300 61.5 -$ 42,000 -8 -20.3 12.5

    I think this is the year, where you categorised premium rookies, multiple subbed players and discounted (due to lack of games) players in the same group, when making comparisons.

    For example only, but when comparing Jack Martin with Ben Jacobs, you need to look at Martin's expected score against reason why you think the subbed games players (ie Jacobs) were one off scores and now that things have changed (such as a new change in teams).

    In the past, the difference in price between underperforming players and premium rookies was wider, but now with the increase in the initial price of premium rookies, I'm inclined to look at subbed player games more.

    Naturally, Jack Martin is just an example, as Martin is pretty much a lock for me when you look at his junior numbers.

    Premium Rookies v Injured (or New Club) Players

    Furthermore, you will also need to compare Premium Rookies to a number of under-priced players, who may have not been given opportunities and changed clubs (and received a discount due to lack of games) or those who have been injured such as below:

    SuperCoach 2014 5393 SuperCoach 2013 5350 Difference
    MD Jack Martin 222300 41.2 1 Alex Fasolo 213600 39.9 8700 1.3
    1 Tom Boyd 217300 40.3 2 Mitch Clark 249200 46.6 -31900 -6.3
    2 Joshua Kennedy 212300 39.4 3 Robin Nahas 212200 39.7 100 -0.3
    3 Jack Billings 207300 38.4 4 Nathan Bock 196900 36.8 10400 1.6
    4 Marcus Bontempelli 202300 37.5 5 Patrick Karnezis 229800 43 -27500 -5.5
    5 Kade Kolodjashni 197300 36.6 6 Claye Beams 183400 34.3 13900 2.3
    6 Matt Scharenberg 192300 35.7 7 Jared Polec 172600 32.3 19700 3.4
    7 James Aish 187300 34.7 8 Viv Michie 172600 32.3 14700 2.4
    8 Luke McDonald 182300 33.8 9 Dom Tyson 216800 40.5 -34500 -6.7
    9 Christian Salem 177300 32.9 10 Jimmy Toumpas 240800 45 -63500 -12.1

    Therefore, I think this year, we need to be a bit more opened minded with mid-priced or lower priced players when selecting our team.

    You are effectively comparing Claye Beams, Jared Polic and Viv Michie with James Aish and Jack Martin with Dom Tyson, Jimmy Toumpas and Patrick Karnezis, so be open minded.

    For your convenience I have quoted myself in the next post.
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    Quoted from last year:

    Quote Originally Posted by Impromptu View Post
    The main objective of SuperCoach is to obviously get as many points as you can, which in general is achieved by getting the best SuperCoach premiums as fast as you can. The initial SuperCoach salary cap usually allows from 10 to 15 premiums per team, which will vary depending on whether you adopt the Guns and Rookies or Mid-Pricer approach.

    To improve your team and gradually increase the number of premiums in your team, you need to generate cash through the selling (ie trading out) and buying (ie trading in) rookies. However, with so many rookies and types of rookies it can be difficult picking the right ones.

    This article examines the viability of picking high draft SuperCoach Rookies (Premium Rookies) against the standard SuperCoach Rookies, noting the former is more expensive than the latter rookies

    For the purpose of this article, I've examined the top 15 draft midfield rookies against the standard midfield rookies, however note that the same principles will apply to other positions. Furthermore, only a handful of standard SuperCoach rookies are used in this article.

    I need to highlight that this article is to analyse the variety of rookies from a Price Strategy point of view rather than the pre-season performance of Rookies, per se. Pre-season performances of rookies will be looked at in the last week.

    The following table lists a number of the top 15 draft midfield rookies against some standard rookies.
    Draft Bye Team Name Value B/E U/18 Main Comp
    1 13 GWS Lachie Whitfield $199,500 37 141 134
    2 13 GWS Jonathan O'Rourke $194,500 36 107 108
    4 12 MEL Jimmy Toumpas $184,500 34 111 68*
    6 11 WBD Jackson Macrae $174,500 32 117 117
    7 11 PTA Oliver Wines $169,500 31 137 145
    8 11 BRL Sam Mayes [FWD] $164,500 30 101 61*
    9 11 RIC Nick Vlastuin [MID] $159,500 29 105 NA
    11 13 CAR Troy Menzel [FWD] $149,500 28 151 59*
    13 13 GCS Jesse Lonergan $139,500 26 127
    * 13 ADE Brad Crouch $115,900 21 77 68*
    * 13 GCS Jaeger O'Meara $115,900 21 116 86
    21 11 WBD Nathan Hrovat $114,500 21 117 121
    26 12 MEL Jack Viney $109,500 20 91 83
    M 12 MEL Matt Jones $109,500 20 25YO 20P
    M 13 ESS Nicholas Kommer $109,500 20 22YO 19P
    Main Comp - * indiates AFL Dream Score not SuperCoach Scores (as not available)

    The objectives of rookies (in categorical order) are to:

    1. Generate Cash
    2. Score Points

    Now you may ask the question, doesn't 'Generating Cash' and 'Scoring Points' come hand-in-hand? Well the answer is Yes and No. For me, it depends on the starting price of the player and more importantly finding a Value Priced Player.

    You may recall the article Loose Change where I discussed Value Priced Players? While not exactly the same, the same concept of Value applies.

    When we compare premiums say, Swan v Dal Santo and Waters v Newman we look at value. Do we think Dal Santo can negate, ie average the same as Swan, but with the benefit of saving an extra $100K or so? We can apply the same or similar concept of Value to Rookies, but we just need to make some adjustments.

    The adjustment and comparisons when looking at Value for Rookies compared to Premiums are:

    1. Premiums have no games security issues, but Rookies do
    2. Underperforming Rookies are like to get traded out before underperforming Premiums
    3. Rookies need to generate Cash, whereas Premiums need to generate points (and to a lesser extent Cash)

    Therefore, when deciding on whether you want premium rookies or a standard rookie, you need to look at your objective. Is it to:

    1. Generate Cash
    2. Job Security
    3. Points

    As you all will know the price of all player fluctuates depending on a player's last three games and on the basis of a rolling-average, which will either increase or decrease the price of a player. However, this really depends on the player's breakeven and the player breakeven depends on a player's price at any given time; the same principles apply to Rookies.

    If you look at the above table, you can see (for example) the following:

    • Lachie Whitfield is priced at $199,500 and breakeven of 37
    • Nick Vlastuin priced at $159,500 and breakeven of 29
    • Brad Crouch priced at $115,900 and breakeven of 21
    • Jack Viney priced at $109,500 and breakeven of 20

    Now a question, which coincidentally some people have asked me was what I thought of Whitfield. Looking at his pre-AFL history he has an amazing record 141 and 134; Ablett-type Junior Football statistics! However, is Whitfield worth it from a cash generating point of view?

    From a public opinion point of view, it may well possibly worth it as Whitfield is in theory the best player in the competition, yes I know there are different views due to the Father-and-Son rules and Mini Draft etc. However, in theory Whitfield is the best rookie player based on the draft. However, from a SuperCoach point of view, do I think Whitfield is worth it? Probably No.

    Now I won't get into detail and work out the exact numbers, but from a high level calculation, Whitfield (B/E 37) needs to average 17 more than Viney (B/E 20) to be par. You need to ask yourself the question, do you think Whitfield will average 17 more than Viney? If so, then Whitfield should be considered and if not then No. Don't think that if Whitfield averages 80 and Viney 65 that choosing Whitfield is better. I reiterate, I'm not going through the expected price changes or anything, but on a high-level calculation, Viney is better.

    What you get from Whitfield is perceived or presumed job security and perceived or presumed scoring security as all things being equal Whitfield should score more, especially if you look at his pre-AFL career. For me the best cash cow or rookies doesn't necessary need to play 15 games as all you need is a rookie who plays 6 consecutive to get you to the magical $300K. Naturally, there are cash cows who get to $400K, but there are also cash cows who peak at $200K, therefore, I use the mid-point, namely $300K as the benchmark for a rookie. However, if you have a player at $199K, the most you can make from this cash cow is $100K.

    Think like this, Whitfield reaching $300K is the same as Viney reaching $200K in terms of generating cash and if $300K is the notional peak rookie price (excluding exceptions) then it is clearly better to pick Viney.

    Note that Whitfield and Viney are simply examples, and you could use Wines, Lonergan and Vlastuin and compare them with Crouch, O'Meara, Matt Jones etc.

    For me, I generally have a No High Draft Rookie or No Premium Rookie policy.

    As with most rules, there are exceptions such as:

    • Loading up on midfield rookies where you need the security of a Premium Rookie (as demonstrated in my 2010 SuperCoach team; refer to: 8 Rookie Midfield)
    • Non-midfield Premum Rookies

    With most of my rookies I hope they get to $300K in price, and thus every $10K difference in the starting price makes a difference. Remember I'm not saying Viney is better than Whitfield or vice-versa, just saying unless you are looking for security , Viney is better in Value or more precisely Cash Generating purposes.

    While Vlastuin is priced at 29 and a Premium Rookie, he has the benefit of being categorised as a dual position player and in reality a Defender and therefore meets the 2nd exception. Oliver Wines is the interesting one at $169,500 (B/E 31). At that price, boy it's difficult to have you in your team, but if you have a 4 premium midfield then it's difficult to leave him out, noting my view is he is behind Kane Mitchell from a SuperCoach point of view.

    For the record, I don't intend on having any these high draft midfield rookies, with possibly the exception of Vlastuin. Jimmy Toumpas looks decent, but again I just can't justify a rookie priced so high.

    Therefore, remember the objective of having Rookies is to Generate Cash and thus NO Premium Rookies, unless there are exceptions!
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    Courtesans's SuperCoach team
    At the minute, I have Jack Martin, James Aish, Luke McDonald, Zak Jones, Dom Sheed, and Jess Hogan as premium rookies. They certainly take a fair slice from our cap. Are they worth it? Time will tell, but you need some good ones to make money.
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    I generally don't go with any premium rookies and this year is no exception barring a couple:

    Jack martin- just amazing numbers in both the under 18s (a year younger than all others) and the NEAFL (several years younger than most).

    claye beams and xavier ellis- they are obviously much more mature and really arent rookies. both have proven they can average 80+ so are locks if theyre playing in my opinion.
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    I think next year premium rookies are almost a necessity. Reason quite simple: premium rookies will earn less money, but they are guaranteed game time, unlike mot standard rookies

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prochard View Post
    I think next year premium rookies are almost a necessity. Reason quite simple: premium rookies will earn less money, but they are guaranteed game time, unlike mot standard rookies
    Game time is extremely important, I agree. But the expensive rookies aren't actually guaranteed more game time.

    Going through the top 10 draft picks:

    Boyd: Will get game time obviously as num 1 draft pick.
    Kelly: Very light body so will rotated apparently.
    Billings: Injury concerns so won't play early.
    Bontempelli: Very light, will take time.
    KK: Should play most games.
    Sharenberg: At Collingwood and with dud feet, no chance for early action.
    Aish: Although Brisbane are struggling, he is light bodied and a prime sub candidate due to his game style of burst running on the wing.
    Mcdonald: I'm a Kangas fan, and tbh i cant see him fitting in the round 1 side. Scott also likes to ease in the rookies. Though if he's in round 1, I reckon he'll be there to stay for a while.
    Salem: Should get games at Melb though prime sub candidate.
    Freeman: No way he'll get into the Collingwood midfield, if he does he'll be the sub.

    So I think the only ones actually with better JS to the basement price rookies (eg. Honeychurch, Taylor and Dunstan) are Boyd, KK and obviously the 2 mini-draftees.

    Salem, Mcdonald and Aish could all play but I can't see them being more locked in the side than the basement price roookies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Footyrulz View Post
    Game time is extremely important, I agree. But the expensive rookies aren't actually guaranteed more game time.

    Going through the top 10 draft picks:

    Boyd: Will get game time obviously as num 1 draft pick.
    Kelly: Very light body so will rotated apparently.
    Billings: Injury concerns so won't play early.
    Bontempelli: Very light, will take time.
    KK: Should play most games.
    Sharenberg: At Collingwood and with dud feet, no chance for early action.
    Aish: Although Brisbane are struggling, he is light bodied and a prime sub candidate due to his game style of burst running on the wing.
    Mcdonald: I'm a Kangas fan, and tbh i cant see him fitting in the round 1 side. Scott also likes to ease in the rookies. Though if he's in round 1, I reckon he'll be there to stay for a while.
    Salem: Should get games at Melb though prime sub candidate.
    Freeman: No way he'll get into the Collingwood midfield, if he does he'll be the sub.

    So I think the only ones actually with better JS to the basement price rookies (eg. Honeychurch, Taylor and Dunstan) are Boyd, KK and obviously the 2 mini-draftees.

    Salem, Mcdonald and Aish could all play but I can't see them being more locked in the side than the basement price roookies.
    Spot on Footyrulz, I'm thinking there's going to be some better value of the bargain mid-priced variety eg. Clark, Daniher, and a host of others yet to be identified

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    Quote Originally Posted by Footyrulz View Post
    Salem, Mcdonald and Aish could all play but I can't see them being more locked in the side than the basement price roookies.
    Just on Aish, Leppitsch indicated at the Lions AGM that he'll roll Aish out for as many games as the kid can handle. Still not sure I'll pick him, but it sounds like he's going to get a decent crack at it.

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    I've moved the above posts to this Premium Rookies v.2014 thread.
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    At the moment I have Martin ($222k), Polec ($172k) and Ellis ($159k) who I feel meet the scoring security you have mentioned but perhaps not necessarily the job (vest) security we would like. Ellis, in particular I feel is a vest candidate although traditionally it's almost always been used on rookies at WC (new coach now ) so i'm not sure if it's worth spending the extra dosh on him.

    Really don't know enough about Martin (except he's meant to be even better than the highly regarded JOM) to comment but priced at $222k i'm starting to question how much of a must he is. Priced at a 41.2 average vs a basement priced rookie like, let's say Acres/Dunstan that extra 100k could be the difference between starting Hanley over Swallow. Probably the only thing that has him lock locked is how popular he will be which is a lesson learnt after last year with Wines.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IDIG View Post
    Really don't know enough about Martin (except he's meant to be even better than the highly regarded JOM) to comment but priced at $222k i'm starting to question how much of a must he is. Priced at a 41.2 average vs a basement priced rookie like, let's say Acres/Dunstan that extra 100k could be the difference between starting Hanley over Swallow. Probably the only thing that has him lock locked is how popular he will be which is a lesson learnt after last year with Wines.
    But IDIG, Wine was 170k odd and Martin at 222k is 50k more. Sheed is 170k odd and 'should' have a place in the WC side - wouldn't that mean he would represent better value than Martin? Or are we all expecting that Martin is going to smash out 120s week in week out?

    I am happy with the game time argument, and there is always a risk of subbing with rookies, but players like Ellis, Michie, Bock etc are cheap for a reason. You pay 200k odd for these players versus 130k for a rookie - yes you might cop donuts with the rookies, but where do you go if the 200k player doesn't work out and there are no cheap playing rookies?

    Thinking I will be keeping $ in the bank at the start of this season - easier to go up than down
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    Yeah you're right, Sheed would be better value than Martin if he scores the same haha

    I think people are choosing Martin on the assumption the JS is good, vesting is unlikely and scoring potential is far superior to other rookies. Other rookies, who knows i guess..especially at this stage of the year.

    I've just had a rejig of my team and Sheed's now made his way into my team as well lol. So that makes Martin, Ellis, Sheed, Polec along with Laidler and Garlett/Kennedy-Harris as my starting rookie options. I know alot can change from now until the season proper but i guess if you're planning you might as well plan with the expensive ones. I'm just hoping the 3 premium back rookies dont become starting locks as im not too keen to spend top dollar on back rookies.
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    I have 14 rookie priced players in my team as it currently stands. Come round 1 there will be 18 AFL teams running out onto the park, some with NO rookie priced players and others with 1 or 2. Many of those who do play will be handed a vest at some point.

    Ultimately I will be doing my best to choose 30 players in round 1 who are chosen for their respective teams. I will not have players in my team who are not picked in round 1 if I can possibly avoid it. As much as possible, I will choose players who are in the starting line-ups to attempt to avoid the vest. Without the expansion teams running onto the park with a thousand rookies in 2014 I am concerned that there simply will not be a lot of choice. I anticipate that there will be a sufficiently small number of rookies playing that, out of necessity, we will all end up choosing the same rookie players for our SC teams. (making the above exercise of assessing who represents greater value, a little futile). Throw in the complication of a split round in round 1 meaning that we each have to guess what options will exist in the second week before burning a rookie spot on someone less desirable than those potentially playing in week 2 of round 1. The opposite is unthinkable, passing on available rookies in week 1 only to find that insufficient rookies are picked in week 2 to fill the team. (This is exacerbated in the ruck spot where there are unlikely to be many, if any, rookie priced rucks running onto the park in either week of round 1)

    The POD could therefore be those who choose to go in with a couple more mid-pricers who are certain to get a game week-in week-out. The opportunity cost, of course, will be one (or more) less premium player. One thing that I think I will do is to put in two highly durable rucks who are likely to get 22 games, then pick one lesser priced player at R3 as a back up, and then pick a basement price DPP at R4 even if he isn't playing. Then again, we might all have to do that.

    I hope I'm wrong and we have a huge choice of rookies but I'm nervous. In any event I will perform my due diligence to develop a wish list.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Footyrulz View Post
    Game time is extremely important, I agree. But the expensive rookies aren't actually guaranteed more game time.

    Going through the top 10 draft picks:

    Boyd: Will get game time obviously as num 1 draft pick.
    Kelly: Very light body so will rotated apparently.
    Billings: Injury concerns so won't play early.
    Bontempelli: Very light, will take time.
    KK: Should play most games.
    Sharenberg: At Collingwood and with dud feet, no chance for early action.
    Aish: Although Brisbane are struggling, he is light bodied and a prime sub candidate due to his game style of burst running on the wing.
    Mcdonald: I'm a Kangas fan, and tbh i cant see him fitting in the round 1 side. Scott also likes to ease in the rookies. Though if he's in round 1, I reckon he'll be there to stay for a while.
    Salem: Should get games at Melb though prime sub candidate.
    Freeman: No way he'll get into the Collingwood midfield, if he does he'll be the sub.

    So I think the only ones actually with better JS to the basement price rookies (eg. Honeychurch, Taylor and Dunstan) are Boyd, KK and obviously the 2 mini-draftees.

    Salem, Mcdonald and Aish could all play but I can't see them being more locked in the side than the basement price roookies.

    Aish played 16 league games for Norwood in 2012 and 8 games last year.

    He missed the first 4 games in 2013 with AIS commitments and then some with the carnival.

    Played in consecutive Grand Final winning teams.

    I haven't locked him in but seems to handle having a smaller frame well.

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    Any love for Dom Sheed? How does he shape up againt Aish?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 30BucketsofRo View Post
    Any love for Dom Sheed? How does he shape up againt Aish?
    Sheed isnt quite as good as wines, but has a similar strong body.

    I reckon he is the better option.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coondog View Post
    I have 14 rookie priced players in my team as it currently stands. Come round 1 there will be 18 AFL teams running out onto the park, some with NO rookie priced players and others with 1 or 2. Many of those who do play will be handed a vest at some point.

    Ultimately I will be doing my best to choose 30 players in round 1 who are chosen for their respective teams. I will not have players in my team who are not picked in round 1 if I can possibly avoid it. As much as possible, I will choose players who are in the starting line-ups to attempt to avoid the vest. Without the expansion teams running onto the park with a thousand rookies in 2014 I am concerned that there simply will not be a lot of choice. I anticipate that there will be a sufficiently small number of rookies playing that, out of necessity, we will all end up choosing the same rookie players for our SC teams. (making the above exercise of assessing who represents greater value, a little futile). Throw in the complication of a split round in round 1 meaning that we each have to guess what options will exist in the second week before burning a rookie spot on someone less desirable than those potentially playing in week 2 of round 1. The opposite is unthinkable, passing on available rookies in week 1 only to find that insufficient rookies are picked in week 2 to fill the team. (This is exacerbated in the ruck spot where there are unlikely to be many, if any, rookie priced rucks running onto the park in either week of round 1)

    The POD could therefore be those who choose to go in with a couple more mid-pricers who are certain to get a game week-in week-out. The opportunity cost, of course, will be one (or more) less premium player. One thing that I think I will do is to put in two highly durable rucks who are likely to get 22 games, then pick one lesser priced player at R3 as a back up, and then pick a basement price DPP at R4 even if he isn't playing. Then again, we might all have to do that.

    I hope I'm wrong and we have a huge choice of rookies but I'm nervous. In any event I will perform my due diligence to develop a wish list.
    Good call Coondog. I shall edit/ add a column to my watchlist re which rookies are playing early / late round 1.
    I remember last year dropping Ollie wines for koby stevens last year mid round one when I couldn't get a team list for Port Adelaide.
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