Position 2024: DEFENDER DISCUSSION
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Sheezel maybe but I don't think anyone was saying Stewart or Ryan were value picks. I think you'd be hard pressed to sell all 3 as value selections, and if you consider them value then I think your premise of not starting overpriced players is basically just hindsight bias saying "pick the good picks and don't pick the bad ones".
Only 10 players in the game are currently more expensive than Stewart's starting price of 635.3K.
2 are the elite rucks (English & Gawn)
6 are elite top 8 mids (Bont, Merrett, Green, Petracca, Butters & Serong)
The other 2 are the Brownlow favourite (Heeney) and then the 133 averaging Luke Ryan.
If Stewart was underpriced, everyone is underpriced....
2 are the elite rucks (English & Gawn)
6 are elite top 8 mids (Bont, Merrett, Green, Petracca, Butters & Serong)
The other 2 are the Brownlow favourite (Heeney) and then the 133 averaging Luke Ryan.
If Stewart was underpriced, everyone is underpriced....
As most on this site are concerned with overall rank, I thought it might also be useful to look at total points scored so far.
Despite his loss in value, Naicos's scoring has him 2nd on the list. **
Some interesting names have popped up though.
** It's only fair to see how things look after the 1st round of byes when everyone has played the same number of games.
Despite his loss in value, Naicos's scoring has him 2nd on the list. **
Some interesting names have popped up though.
** It's only fair to see how things look after the 1st round of byes when everyone has played the same number of games.
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I posted a priced-based analysis of Defenders yesterday (see post #295) in this thread
This is another look at the top defenders but more from a performance point of view - ie their average pts score to date.
** NOTE - Only players with 3 games or more have been included
The first panel is ranked on original salary
The second panel is ranked on current pts average
The third panel is ranked on current salary
I have segmented the analysis so that we can see the difference between the top 10 and the top 11-20 (10 is arbitrary, but..)
The green shaded amounts represent the dollars paid per point scored for the given set of 10 players.
Salmon colours in the second & third panels reflect players in the original top-10 for price
Blue colours in the second & third panels reflect players in the original top-11-20 for price
I havent spent a lot of time anlaysing this - so draw your own conclusions!
A couple of things tho came to mind ..
Panel 1 - Original Price order
Ther isnt quite as big a difference between the results of the top 10 and the next top 10 as I would have expected. They're doing better by 100 ppw but the value difference favours the second group, which must reduce the overall advantage.
Panel 2 - Average ppw order
The top-10 of panel 2 is where we all want to be (at this stage anyway).
Only 4 of the original top-10 most expensive players feature, plus two more from the next tier
Across the top 20 there are 6 and 5 respectively.
No really cheap players in there.
This is another look at the top defenders but more from a performance point of view - ie their average pts score to date.
** NOTE - Only players with 3 games or more have been included
The first panel is ranked on original salary
The second panel is ranked on current pts average
The third panel is ranked on current salary
I have segmented the analysis so that we can see the difference between the top 10 and the top 11-20 (10 is arbitrary, but..)
The green shaded amounts represent the dollars paid per point scored for the given set of 10 players.
Salmon colours in the second & third panels reflect players in the original top-10 for price
Blue colours in the second & third panels reflect players in the original top-11-20 for price
I havent spent a lot of time anlaysing this - so draw your own conclusions!
A couple of things tho came to mind ..
Panel 1 - Original Price order
Ther isnt quite as big a difference between the results of the top 10 and the next top 10 as I would have expected. They're doing better by 100 ppw but the value difference favours the second group, which must reduce the overall advantage.
Panel 2 - Average ppw order
The top-10 of panel 2 is where we all want to be (at this stage anyway).
Only 4 of the original top-10 most expensive players feature, plus two more from the next tier
Across the top 20 there are 6 and 5 respectively.
No really cheap players in there.
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So was he worth starting or waiting ?
I will leave that to everyone to make their own mind up , obviously those that started him would have known all along that Clohesy would cover him in Round 5 😉
Round 1 - 5 SC scores
Daicos starting price $ 650,000.00 scored 403 points (4 games)
Sicily $ 637,400.00 scored 442 points
Stewart $ 635,300.00 scored 523 points
Ryan $ 611,800.00 scored 678 points 😲
Sinclair $ 596,300.00 scored 380 points (4 games)
Houston $ 593,100.00 scored 554 points
Newman $ 559,900.00 scored 327 points (4 games)
Sheezel $ 556,200.00 scored 654 points 😲
Short $ 551,200.00 scored 293 points
Lloyd $ 535,300.00 scored 322 points (4 games)
Personally I started Daicos , Houston & Sheezel + Young.
I will leave that to everyone to make their own mind up , obviously those that started him would have known all along that Clohesy would cover him in Round 5 😉
Round 1 - 5 SC scores
Daicos starting price $ 650,000.00 scored 403 points (4 games)
Sicily $ 637,400.00 scored 442 points
Stewart $ 635,300.00 scored 523 points
Ryan $ 611,800.00 scored 678 points 😲
Sinclair $ 596,300.00 scored 380 points (4 games)
Houston $ 593,100.00 scored 554 points
Newman $ 559,900.00 scored 327 points (4 games)
Sheezel $ 556,200.00 scored 654 points 😲
Short $ 551,200.00 scored 293 points
Lloyd $ 535,300.00 scored 322 points (4 games)
Personally I started Daicos , Houston & Sheezel + Young.
Case in point is Dawson. I traded him out early in R2 for $647, he’s now $517. Absolutely dodged a bullet.
Having said that, there are situations where u trade a premium out (Naicos) but bring them back in not long after. Yes you burned a trade, but it was the right call at that moment and cash loss was minimal
I know Dawson isn’t a Def, but that trade out enabled me to bring in Naicos.
Having said that, there are situations where u trade a premium out (Naicos) but bring them back in not long after. Yes you burned a trade, but it was the right call at that moment and cash loss was minimal
I know Dawson isn’t a Def, but that trade out enabled me to bring in Naicos.
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I did the same with Daicos and can't say that I'm happy with it, sure Whitfields gone up a bit and Daicos has dropped a bit, but there hasn't been the points differential that I was hoping for, particularly as Clohesy would have been his cover (of course I didn't know that at the time) I don't think that I would do that move again.
There's 3 trades so far for me that are 50/50 Daicos > Whitfield, Young > Yeo and Wines > Drew. They can't be looked at in isolation as there was cash released which enabled other things, but those 3 trades would be very handy at the back end of the season.
There's 3 trades so far for me that are 50/50 Daicos > Whitfield, Young > Yeo and Wines > Drew. They can't be looked at in isolation as there was cash released which enabled other things, but those 3 trades would be very handy at the back end of the season.